[Nfb-krafters-korner] what you are forgetting

slerythema slerythema at gmail.com
Sat Apr 30 23:14:19 UTC 2011 

Henrietta, et al,

There is a student agreement for classes posted after 4/29/2011. There have
not been any classes posted since this date, so you have not seen the
statement yet. This statement is NOT retroactive.

Cindy S.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Henrietta Brewer
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 6:58 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] what you are forgetting
> 
> 
> To me, NFB Krafters was a place to learn new crafts and make 
> friends for sure.  If the Karfters Korner wants to sell or 
> use the mp3's of our chatting and learning, it looks like 
> they have that right. 
> 
> Teachers have the right to decide whether they want their 
> classes distributed to unknown people. They just should not 
> do classes for the Karfter's division.  
> 
> I think that when you talked to your lawyers you forgot an 
> important issue. Not only do the teachers have a stake in 
> what is distributed but the students will also have their 
> comments sold or used for whatever the division feels will 
> help the group.  I for one, can't feel good about interaction 
> on a class if my words will go down in mp3 history.  
> 
> The classes and chats have always been like a knitting circle 
> for me. I could be at home where I am needed and join in with 
> others that enjoy crafting.  If I misunderstand and say 
> something that sounds off the wall, I don't want it replayed 
> and replayed and maybe go places I am not in favor of.  
> 
> So, I for one, can't feel good about speaking at classes from 
> this time forward.  
> 
> As a division, you might want to go back to the lawyers and 
> ask what they feel is necessary to alert students to the fact 
> that what they say can be sold or used as promotional information.
> 
> As you think of this one fact, you might begin to realize 
> that the lawyers could only advise you on the info you gave 
> them. That makes your decisions incomplete.
> 
> Did you think of the fact that giving the mp3's to students 
> would allow them to share with anyone they choose.  There is 
> no stopping this as you know. But when the mp3's become 
> something with monitery value people can have new ideas about 
> how to manage them. 
> 
> Unless you are in a class the recordings become confusing and 
> very boring. So the  money you will collect will probably be 
> minimal. I am not worried about what you will make on them. 
> You are right. The ten dollar fee is so small for all we 
> gained. And probably I should have been afraid to speak all 
> along. But you have made it very clear to me now.  
> 
> I guess every little sewing circle has the potential to 
> become big business. I am looking for a little sewing circle. 
> Henrietta On Apr 30, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Blindhands at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > I am sorry you feel this way.  This statement is what 
> Attorney Brown  had 
> > suggested and approved.   We were forced to do this to 
> clarify the  NFB 
> > Krafters
> > Division responsibility for the recordings.
> > 
> > I  started this list, division and all that Krafters Korner has to 
> > offer
> > solely to  have a place where blind people can come and 
> share and learn how to 
> > continue
> > doing crafts.  It was a friendly place to email, call up 
> and  talk to folks 
> > about how they do crafting without sight.  It moved forward 
>  and I was 
> > thrilled
> > when Laurie offered to do beading classes and we  
> researched how to do 
> > conference call classes.  It was all a bunch of  friends 
> having a good time doing
> > this no matter where you lived.  I went  forward with starting this 
> > division so we could reach out to more people that  are 
> blind.  I have spread the 
> > word
> > every way I could and put my love of  crafting first.  
> Other folks here 
> > joined in with me to make this a unique  place for blind people. 
> > 
> > We have spread and grown and people  from different time zones have
> > expressed their wishes to be able to be part of  Krafters 
> Korner and be included in 
> > the
> > chances of participating in  classes.  I have listened and 
> tried to figure 
> > out ways to accommodate  all. 
> > 
> > All we ask is $10 per year for folks to enjoy all of the  
> benefits.    If 
> > we were the money hungry souls that people have  blamed us 
> for being, 
> > we
> > would be
> > charging people for every class they  take.  We would not 
> be offering MP3  
> > files for them to keep and listen  to.  Go out and take a 
> class in the real 
> > world
> > and you pay big bucks for  it.  You miss a class and it is 
> too bad for you. 
> > They don't provide  you with anything.  The teachers here 
> give their time 
> > up
> > to you for  free.  They give you extra time during the week 
> or via email 
> > whenever you  need it.  The list is open 24 hours a day to 
> answer your  
> > questions. 
> > 
> > It took a few people to start this uproar and  point the 
> finger at NFB
> > Krafters Division.  The teachers wanted the right  to do 
> what they want with 
> > their
> > class recordings.  This statement  clarifies what the 
> division's rights are 
> > and if you look into the meaning behind  this statement I 
> believe the 
> > teachers
> > can get their answer too.  The  teachers can check this out 
> with their 
> > lawyers.
> > 
> > Many of you  have forgotten what the Krafters Korner 
> primary mission 
> > is all
> > about.  It  is a place to learn and share how blind people 
> can craft and be 
> > creative. 
> > It is a place to make friends and share our love of  
> crafting.  It is a 
> > place for blind people to get together and share  creative 
> ideas with other 
> > blind
> > people.  Some  individuals seem to have forgotten why this 
> was started.  It 
> > had  nothing to do with the NFB Krafters Division making 
> money.  It was to  
> > encourage
> > the talent and creativity of the blind and this remains the 
> same  today, 
> > this has not changed, making a buck is not what we are here  for.
> > 
> > Joyce Kane
> > _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
> > Blindhands at AOL.com 
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