[Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times

Fri Jan 7 14:43:52 UTC 2011

Cindy:

I've been a paid up dues member of this division & a volunteer instructor 
since just about its beginning.  I think it will be 3 years this summer and 
in all that time I have never seen any mention of open board meetings and 
maybe saw only one of the board meeting reports about 2 years ago that was 
written up by Audrey as Secretary for the division.  Another two people on 
this list  has called it to my attention, something I was not aware of and 
something the board for this group does not make publically known is that 
all NFB board meetings for I think all the divisions are open and any member 
can attend and be a part of the process.  The Nagdu division, has monthly 
meetings (it is a national division so they do it by phone) and they make 
announcements on their list asking if members have questions they would like 
to discuss during the phone meeting.  In other words, all the members are 
invited to be active participants.  With that said, why wasn't the phone 
number for the Krafters division meeting posted and the offer of having as 
many members attend as wanted to?  If I had been allowed to participate in 
the meeting of the other night I would have been there and know there are 
other instructors with similar concerns that would have attended.

Additionally, in the 3 years I've been a dues paying member, I have never 
nor has anyone else who is just a member seen a treasurer's report, no 
report on how many people are signed up to this list no report on how many 
of the members are paying dues, no report on classes that have been offered, 
no report on itemized expenses for the group.  Just no reporting of any 
kind. A little verbal mention on a Monday night chat, by the way is not a 
report nor a substitute for a board meeting.  So after 3 years of paying 
dues, how much money is in the Krafters Korners Division's treasury and what 
is it being spent on?  If you don't have that information off the top of 
your head or other leadership does not know the answers off the tops of 
their heads, then where are the written records in accessible format so that 
members can find this information out?   Any organization that collects 
money must be above and beyond question and there is an obligation to report 
openly & honestly on where the money is going and how much of it there is. 
These are serious concerns that all need to be addressed openly & publically 
for division members.

When exactly and how frequently are board meetings held?  What is the phone 
number so that members can participate and have a say in what goes on?  When 
was the last time this board for this group met?  When is the next board 
meeting date & time?  I think what ever went on in Wednesday's night meeting 
was a fraud because yes it was behind closed doors and not at all 
democratic, but very dictatorial.

Thanks for the openness and honesty.

Eileen

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From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 3:35 AM
To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times

> Eileen,
>
> I am NOT speaking for the board in this message. However, I want to assure
> you that your questions and complaints have not fallen on deaf ears. As 
> you
> stated, the leadership needs to make the final decision. Until that 
> decision
> is made, you cannot receive an answer. The board does not meet daily or
> weekly, so a decision cannot be made within a single day.
>
> You will be contacted when things are finalized.
>
> As to Joyce's comment about wanting to hear from the instructors, you are
> only one instructor and we want to know why the other instructors or
> potential instructors are not joining the discussion because it doesn't
> matter what time students would like classes if there are no instructors
> available to teach them at alternate times.
>
> This topic was started as a way to hear from the membership and create a
> list of times that we might be able to fill in the future. No one on the
> board or in the division expects you as ONE instructor to find a way to 
> fill
> all of these times. You have been a great instructor and provided a 
> valuable
> resource to this division. There have been many students that have 
> benefited
> from your classes.
>
> Cindy S.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Eileen Scrivani
>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:43 PM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>
>>
>> Joyce:
>>
>> besides seneding you three private emails on this topic, I am
>> an instructor
>> who has posted thoughts on the subject of class recordings,
>> but my messages
>> to the divison leadeership has fallen on deaf ears.
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:04 PM
>> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>
>> > I am back online with JAWS working 100% so now I can reply to the
>> > emails.
>> >
>> > After listening to all the email regarding classes and after
>> > discussing this with the board members of the NFB Krafters
>> Division I
>> > would like others to  know our thoughts.
>> >
>> > We defintely have grown and spread not only within the USA,
>> but around
>> > the globe.  We want to continue our growth and bring
>> Krafters Korner
>> > every where there is a need for  us to learn, share and teach each
>> > other the crafting skills of this group.
>> >
>> > With all that has been said it has proven that we need more
>> classes at
>> > different times.  After saying that we have the ability of
>> doing these
>> > classes, recording them and having students interact live with the
>> > teacher and other students.  Now we need to find a way to
>> do this at
>> > different times to
>> > include more people around the World.  We have heard from
>> friends in
>> > India,
>> > Australia, New Zealan, Canada and Alaska that have taken or
>> would love to
>> > take a  class, but the timing is not great for them.  I ask
>> each one of
>> > you to
>> > seriously think about what you would like from Krafters
>> Korner and if one
>> > of  your answers are take classes like others, then I ask
>> you to please
>> > contact me  off list.  _Blindhands at aol.com_
>> (mailto:Blindhands at aol.com)
>> > I would like to work with you to make this happen.
>> >
>> > While this conversation went on there was not much comments
>> being made
>> > from
>> > our teachers regarding this and I would also like to hear from the
>> > teachers off  list.  We do have teachers living in
>> different time zones
>> > and maybe
>> > some of  them would be willing to try different times for
>> classes.  I need
>> > to
>> > hear  from the teachers.
>> >
>> > The question has been brought up why and who picked classes to be
>> > during the week starting at 8 p.m.  When Krafters Korner
>> first started
>> > out the list was small and most folks were living on the East coast
>> > and Central time
>> > zone.  Laurie Porter did our first class and it was a
>> beading class.   I
>> > had
>> > asked  our list people what time and weekend or during the
>> week would
>> > be best and that is how we started out.  We did try classes on the
>> > weekend during the day and in the evening and in the evening during
>> > the week.  We  had more folks show up for a class in the evening
>> > during the week.  When classes
>> > began we would maybe have 3or 4 and maybe 5 people at a
>> class.   That did
>> > include the teacher and me in those numbers.  Now look at
>> the  attendence
>> > of a
>> > class.
>> >
>> > So please contact me off list and let's work together to
>> develop this
>> > further.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Joyce  Kane
>> > _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
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