[Nfb-krafters-korner] classes

Fri Jan 7 18:10:13 UTC 2011

On 1/7/2011 10:02 AM, slery wrote:
> Lovette,
>
> Joyce asked for what times people ARE available and she simply wanted to
> make a list that we might be able to provide something in the future that
> works better for those that are currently finding it hard to attend classes
> for one reason or another. Obviously, people must have at least one time
> slot that can be up for consideration.
>
> I hope we can offer something eventually that you will be able to attend.
> This does mean that we need MORE teachers that are available at different
> times. We don't necessarily need current teachers to change things. New
> teachers that can work in other time slots would be ideal.
>
> Cindy S.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Lovette Yewchan
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 12:32 PM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>
>>
>> Well I did not mean to make everyone so upset just stated my
>> struggles. I won't say anymore and won't commit to anything
>> unless I can be there. I just thought with everyone being so
>> spread out with time
>> differences this could be a consideration. I understand though and
>> this will be my last post on the subject.
>> Sorry I said anything at all.
>> Lovette
>> At 02:07 AM 1/4/2011, you wrote:
>>> Eileen,
>>>     I also have been reading the comments on this thread concerning
>>> the time constraints for classes and I agree with you whole
>> heartily.
>>>     I'm sorry, but as members of this group you pay a $10 membership
>>> for unlimited classes for a whole year where you can sit home in
>>> your PJ's, put your finger in the dial and call in an get
>>> instructions from a teacher who understands your special challenges
>>> in crafting, they also spend hours making sure their instructions
>>> are clearly understood, give you a back up MP3 copy of the class
>>> and sometimes also makes time for additional questions and then she
>>> shouldn't have the choice of determining when it's convenient for
>>> her to conduct the class!  The excuses and reasons are a
>> little unclear here.
>>>     No teacher I ever had in school, ever worried whether it was
>>> inconvenient for me to almost kill myself driving through snow
>>> laden streets to get to class on the time it was scheduled. Never
>>> in mind of sitting home and dialing in or whether I had to pick up
>>> my child, cook my dinner (many nights of which I went without
>>> between work and night classes) to make sure I made it on time,
>>> even if they were art or leisure classes. I would have never
>>> thought of asking my teacher to meet my schedule, especially if
>>> they were doing it on a volunteer basis.
>>>     When I worked in administration and had to prepare a schedule
>>> for night school classes, we prepared our community night school
>>> calendars six months in advance for classes.  The time slots were
>>> filled and both teachers and students had to prepare for the
>>> particular time that was set aside. Here Joyce is working with a
>>> calendar and times where she is trying to accommodate everyone's
>>> schedule across at least a 3 to 6 hour time difference, not just
>>> one time zone and trying to find a time convenient for most people.
>>> As Terry K put it, "the hard decisions have to come from
>> leadership."
>>>   I have been following all the interesting comments about time for
>>> lessons, and really do not know how you can please everyone,
>> the hard
>>> decisions have to come from leadership. I can do about every time
>>> frame, days are difficult as now new year training like
>> Freedom Science
>>> if, computer training. However, if I want to learn a new idea, I
>>> arrange and plan for it. Terry K
>>>
>>>    It has been interesting to hear the comments and I really feel
>>> sorry for those who are in the far reaches of our nation and
>>> overseas. I'm sure as we go forward Joyce and the board will try to
>>> make some additional arrangements. But please try to understand and
>>> be considerate of our volunteer, unpaid teachers and not just
>>> request their recordings without making an effort to give them the
>>> courtesy of attending their classes. Your individual question can
>>> not be properly addressed by a recording.
>>>
>>> Audrey Wellner, Secretary
>>> Krafters Korner, division
>>>
>>>
>>> My goodness......me, me, me
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Eileen Scrivani<etscrivani at verizon.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Eileen Scrivani<etscrivani at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 4:38 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My point is that I know I have offered alternate days and times but
>>> there are people that claim they just can't do it for whatever
>>> reason.  That is an individual's choice as to how they spend their
>>> time and work out issues in life.  I have a life, family and husband
>>> to along with houshold duties&  responsibilities that need tending
>>> to just as others do.  When a class is offered I can either make the
>>> time and clear my schedule for 1 or two hours (not a huge amount of
>>> time) or I can choose to not take the class.  I would not make
>>> everyone else alter classes to accomodate my individual issues.
>>>
>>> As an instructor, my personal feeling on the matter is that I don't
>>> want to teach to a recording or allow the class materials I've put a
>>> lot of time&  effort into preparing as well as my own expertese on a
>>> topic to just be handed out to people who haven't made the effort to
>>> attend and participate with the rest of the people in a class.
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Lovette Yewchan"<lyewchan at telus.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:18 PM
>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>>
>>>> I agree that sometimes you need to be able to work out what works
>>> for an instructor but it depends on why you cannot make a class.
>>>> For me 5 my time is hard because as much as I want to take
>>> classes it is dinner hour and I have a family to think of and
>>> homework with young kids so should I not be allowed to benefit
>>> because of responsibilities like this?
>>>> I think if a person could check in and get the recordings later
>>> or if two times were available that would be helpful.
>>>> Lovette
>>>> At 12:57 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>>>> Terry:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, thank you I am in total agreement.  It is impossible to
>>> meet everyone's needs.  Anytime I have taken classes I arranged my
>>> schedule acordingly and did not expect the school or instructor to
>>> go through changes to make it just so for me.  When you want to
>>> learn or do something its up to the individual to make it happen
>>> for themselves.
>>>>> In the past I offered doing classes on either Saturday's or
>>> Sundays either afternoon or evening but no one was willing to make
>>> a 1 or 2 hour opening for a weekend.  That says to me they did not
>>> want to do it all that badly. Everyone has other things going on in
>>> their lives including the people teaching so let's be reasonable
>>> about the time slots.
>>>>> Personally, I very strongly object to giving out recordings to
>>> people who will not take the time to participate with the group or
>>> phone chats or phone classes.  Just giving out the recordings
>>> without attendance will ruin the workings of how classes work.  We
>>> all learn from others questions and input during the classes.
>>> Attendance is what makes the group and classes enjoyable.   I don't
>>> want to sit and lecture at a recording machine with no living being
>>> on the other end.
>>>>> Eileen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Terry Knox"<tknox6 at sc.rr.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:30 PM
>>>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been following all the interesting comments about time
>>> for lessons,
>>>>>> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard
>>> decisions have
>>>>>> to come from leadship. I can do about every time frame, days
>>> are difficult
>>>>>> as now new year training like Freedom Science if, computer
>>>>>> training. However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and
>>>>>> plan for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like a plastic canvas class, I know it was done before.
>>> Terry P, do
>>>>>> you sell kits? I would like tissue box.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Terry K
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Understand that and am thinking of times that work well and am in touch 
with others who are blind crafters in my area to see what they think too.
I've just chosen to be quiet for a while and think and am also 
struggling with computer issues so there is more going on here anyway.
     Lovette