[Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports was: classes and times

slery slerythema at insightbb.com
Fri Jan 7 19:12:32 UTC 2011 

Our board meetings do not happen very frequently. In fact, I am totally
surprised that you are unaware that some boards do not meet accept for once
a year. There are many things that other boards are doing that we simply
have not discussed doing. It is about time that the membership is speaking
up and saying what they would like to see happen.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Eileen Scrivani
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 12:31 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports was: 
> classes and times
> 
> 
> Open board meeting should be done without having to ask.  
> They should just 
> be in place and now there is a volatile issue that has 
> brought it to the 
> forefront.
> 
> Eileen
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 12:20 PM
> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" 
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports was: 
> classes and 
> times
> 
> > Let me just point out that no one has asked for open board 
> meetings. 
> > If
> > the
> > membership had requested this, I am reasonably sure that we 
> would already 
> > be
> > pursuing this. Frankly, it is about time the membership 
> spoke up and had 
> > an
> > opinion and expressed it.
> >
> > Now, if we have enough help from the membership, we can accomplish 
> > some of these things.
> >
> > Also, I want to add that Gail IS someone that is helping out. You 
> > don't
> > have
> > to be on the board to help make things happen in the division.
> >
> > Cindy S.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gail 
> >> Smith
> >> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 10:31 AM
> >> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports 
> was: classes 
> >> and times
> >>
> >>
> >> I agree that it is a reasonable request to have monthly or 
> quarterly 
> >> general organizational meetings  for the Krafters Korner.  
> The other
> >> division in the
> >> NFB that I am interested in has open board meetings on a
> >> conference call.
> >> The board conducts their business without any interference
> >> and then the
> >> floor is open to the members for comments or questions.
> >> There is a report
> >> from the secretary and the treasurer.  The whole group, board
> >> and other
> >> members are working for a common gold.
> >>
> >> Gail
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Dixie" <blueherons at sbcglobal.net>
> >> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
> >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 8:59 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports was:
> >> classes and
> >> times
> >>
> >>
> >> I am the treasurer of the Connecticut Council of the Blind. I am 
> >> required to make a monthly statement of the treasury, receipts and 
> >> disbursements.  I think that this is a reasonable request.  I also 
> >> think that this is a reasonable request to have monthly or 
> quarterly 
> >> general organizational meetings for the membership.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  Dixie
> >> ~  @-> ~ <-@  ~
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
> Of Eileen 
> >> Scrivani
> >> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 9:44 AM
> >> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
> >>
> >> Cindy:
> >>
> >> I've been a paid up dues member of this division & a volunteer 
> >> instructor since just about its beginning.  I think it will be 3 
> >> years this summer and in all that time I have never seen 
> any mention 
> >> of open board meetings and maybe saw only one of the board meeting 
> >> reports about 2 years ago that was written up by Audrey as 
> Secretary 
> >> for the division. Another two people on this list  has 
> called it to 
> >> my attention, something I was not aware of and something the
> >> board for this group does not make publically known is that
> >> all NFB board meetings for I think all the divisions are open
> >> and any member
> >>
> >> can attend and be a part of the process.  The Nagdu division, has 
> >> monthly meetings (it is a national division so they do it 
> by phone) 
> >> and they make announcements on their list asking if members have 
> >> questions they would like
> >>
> >> to discuss during the phone meeting.  In other words, all 
> the members 
> >> are invited to be active participants.  With that said, why wasn't 
> >> the phone number for the Krafters division meeting posted and the 
> >> offer of having as many members attend as wanted to?  If I 
> had been 
> >> allowed to participate in the meeting of the other night I 
> would have 
> >> been there and know there are other instructors with 
> similar concerns 
> >> that would have attended.
> >>
> >> Additionally, in the 3 years I've been a dues paying 
> member, I have 
> >> never nor has anyone else who is just a member seen a treasurer's 
> >> report, no report on how many people are signed up to this list no 
> >> report on how many of the members are paying dues, no report on 
> >> classes that have been offered,
> >>
> >> no report on itemized expenses for the group.  Just no 
> reporting of 
> >> any kind. A little verbal mention on a Monday night chat, 
> by the way 
> >> is not a report nor a substitute for a board meeting.  So after 3 
> >> years of paying dues, how much money is in the Krafters Korners 
> >> Division's treasury and what
> >>
> >> is it being spent on?  If you don't have that information 
> off the top 
> >> of your head or other leadership does not know the answers off the 
> >> tops of their heads, then where are the written records in 
> accessible 
> >> format so that
> >>
> >> members can find this information out?   Any organization
> >> that collects
> >> money must be above and beyond question and there is an 
> obligation to 
> >> report
> >>
> >> openly & honestly on where the money is going and how much of it 
> >> there is. These are serious concerns that all need to be addressed 
> >> openly & publically
> >>
> >> for division members.
> >>
> >> When exactly and how frequently are board meetings held? 
> What is the 
> >> phone number so that members can participate and have a 
> say in what 
> >> goes on?  When
> >>
> >> was the last time this board for this group met?  When is the next 
> >> board meeting date & time?  I think what ever went on in 
> Wednesday's 
> >> night meeting
> >>
> >> was a fraud because yes it was behind closed doors and not at all 
> >> democratic, but very dictatorial.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the openness and honesty.
> >>
> >> Eileen
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 3:35 AM
> >> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" 
> >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
> >>
> >> > Eileen,
> >> >
> >> > I am NOT speaking for the board in this message. 
> However, I want to 
> >> > assure you that your questions and complaints have not
> >> fallen on deaf
> >> > ears. As you stated, the leadership needs to make the final
> >> decision.
> >> > Until that decision
> >> > is made, you cannot receive an answer. The board does not
> >> meet daily or
> >> > weekly, so a decision cannot be made within a single day.
> >> >
> >> > You will be contacted when things are finalized.
> >> >
> >> > As to Joyce's comment about wanting to hear from the
> >> instructors, you
> >> > are only one instructor and we want to know why the other
> >> instructors
> >> > or potential instructors are not joining the discussion 
> because it 
> >> > doesn't matter what time students would like classes if
> >> there are no
> >> > instructors available to teach them at alternate times.
> >> >
> >> > This topic was started as a way to hear from the membership
> >> and create
> >> > a list of times that we might be able to fill in the
> >> future. No one on
> >> > the board or in the division expects you as ONE instructor
> >> to find a
> >> > way to fill all of these times. You have been a great
> >> instructor and
> >> > provided a valuable
> >> > resource to this division. There have been many students 
> that have 
> >> > benefited from your classes.
> >> >
> >> > Cindy S.
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> >> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >> Of Eileen
> >> >> Scrivani
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:43 PM
> >> >> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Joyce:
> >> >>
> >> >> besides seneding you three private emails on this 
> topic, I am an 
> >> >> instructor who has posted thoughts on the subject of class 
> >> >> recordings, but my messages to the divison leadeership 
> has fallen 
> >> >> on deaf ears.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> >> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:04 PM
> >> >> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >> >> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
> >> >>
> >> >> > I am back online with JAWS working 100% so now I can
> >> reply to the
> >> >> > emails.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After listening to all the email regarding classes and after 
> >> >> > discussing this with the board members of the NFB Krafters
> >> >> Division I
> >> >> > would like others to  know our thoughts.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We defintely have grown and spread not only within the USA,
> >> >> but around
> >> >> > the globe.  We want to continue our growth and bring
> >> >> Krafters Korner
> >> >> > every where there is a need for  us to learn, share and
> >> teach each
> >> >> > other the crafting skills of this group.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > With all that has been said it has proven that we need more
> >> >> classes at
> >> >> > different times.  After saying that we have the ability of
> >> >> doing these
> >> >> > classes, recording them and having students interact
> >> live with the
> >> >> > teacher and other students.  Now we need to find a way to
> >> >> do this at
> >> >> > different times to
> >> >> > include more people around the World.  We have heard from
> >> >> friends in
> >> >> > India,
> >> >> > Australia, New Zealan, Canada and Alaska that have taken or
> >> >> would love to
> >> >> > take a  class, but the timing is not great for them.  I ask
> >> >> each one of
> >> >> > you to
> >> >> > seriously think about what you would like from Krafters
> >> >> Korner and if one
> >> >> > of  your answers are take classes like others, then I ask
> >> >> you to please
> >> >> > contact me  off list.  _Blindhands at aol.com_
> >> >> (mailto:Blindhands at aol.com)
> >> >> > I would like to work with you to make this happen.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > While this conversation went on there was not much comments
> >> >> being made
> >> >> > from
> >> >> > our teachers regarding this and I would also like to
> >> hear from the
> >> >> > teachers off  list.  We do have teachers living in
> >> >> different time zones
> >> >> > and maybe
> >> >> > some of  them would be willing to try different times for
> >> >> classes.  I need
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > hear  from the teachers.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The question has been brought up why and who picked
> >> classes to be
> >> >> > during the week starting at 8 p.m.  When Krafters Korner
> >> >> first started
> >> >> > out the list was small and most folks were living on the
> >> East coast
> >> >> > and Central time zone.  Laurie Porter did our first 
> class and it 
> >> >> > was a
> >> >> beading class.   I
> >> >> > had
> >> >> > asked  our list people what time and weekend or during the
> >> >> week would
> >> >> > be best and that is how we started out.  We did try
> >> classes on the
> >> >> > weekend during the day and in the evening and in the
> >> evening during
> >> >> > the week.  We  had more folks show up for a class in 
> the evening 
> >> >> > during the week.  When classes began we would maybe have
> >> 3or 4 and
> >> >> > maybe 5 people at a
> >> >> class.   That did
> >> >> > include the teacher and me in those numbers.  Now look at
> >> >> the  attendence
> >> >> > of a
> >> >> > class.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So please contact me off list and let's work together to
> >> >> develop this
> >> >> > further.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Joyce  Kane
> >> >> > _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/) 
> >> >> > Blindhands at AOL.com
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