[Nfb-krafters-korner] Fw: board meetings

Eileen Scrivani etscrivani at verizon.net
Sat Jan 8 16:01:46 UTC 2011


Audry:

Thank you so much  for your email that is beautifully written and you get 
the issues.

Eileen


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From: "AUDREY WELLNER" <rencraft at snet.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 2:54 AM
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Fw:  board meetings

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> Members of Board and Krafters Korner,
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>  In reflecting on all the private social statements and attitudes that 
> have been posted on this list in the last week I think these two 
> statements sum it up completely.
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>   "I have been following all the interesting comments about time for 
> lessons,
> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard decisions 
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> to come from leadership.
>   Terry K
>   Focus on why we have come together, our love of crafting and sharing the 
> knowledge we have been blessed with and leave the attitudes off list."
>   Susan Roe
>   dogwoodfarm at verizon.net
> ~~~~~
>   As I have been asked by leadership why don't you post to the list 
> anymore, my answer was that I am not a "social butterfly" (not to be 
> misconstrued as a label to anyone other than myself). I don't believe in 
> airing all my laundry for my neighbors to see and therefore I feel that 
> alot of the social chat on this list should have been curtailed long ago 
> by leadership.
>   The site was supposed to be used strictly for answers to those 
> challenging questions concerning problems the visually impaired and blind 
> incurred while working with crafts. It was not meant to be strewn with one 
> line answers concerning private conversations that should have been held 
> off line and should have been corrected long ago and we have wandered far 
> away from that central focus.
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>    The topic concerning the taping of classes has both shown to have been 
> a help and a detriment. It was started in a naive, innocent manner as an 
> aid in opposition of written instructions that a person with restrictions 
> could listen to while working their craft. But then, as time progressed it 
> became a questionable practice. Personal verses public property, 
> copyrights infringement and uses of design ideas made by others.
>    From my viewpoint I do not wish to have the readings of my stories 
> taped for replay by NFB or private individuals for them to use as 
> something they've personally collected and put together to tell other 
> people it is their own. Tell me, do you not wish to spend an hour with me 
> to listen to me read to you. I have been told (because I'm sighted) that I 
> can't teach here, then isn't my contribution of reading stories edited and 
> gathered by other people I give credit to, good enough just to gather and 
> share?
>    In my personal craft as a costumer, I very seldom display my work in 
> exhibits anymore because I can't stand the fact that people walk up to 
> your design and copy every minute detail, then reproduce it as their own. 
> This is outright theft of a persons creativity and I will report it every 
> time I can.
>    I intended to release this rather personal answer to an inquiry before 
> Christmas but then I thought it to be socially unacceptable. I want to 
> share this story collection with you and hope that you want to clear time 
> from cooking your dinner, being with your husband or bringing your 
> children to soccer practice (maybe if they were here to listen they'd get 
> more out of the stories than learning how to beat someone down in sports) 
> more than placing a tape in a recorder and just listening to my voice or 
> perhaps it would be better if you went to the editor and paid her big 
> bucks to buy a tape. These inquiries and taping controversy have really 
> left me to feel that I too no longer wish to continue my readings.
>   This is what's gone from our world - the desire of gathering and talking 
> together, the social interactions.  What's left is the cold hard typing of 
> words that so often can be misconstrued by lack of tonal voice 
> inflections.  (Continue below)
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> Ramona and Theresa,
>    Ramona, I'm sorry you couldn't make it. These stories were gathered and 
> edited by two ladies from a vast collection of ethnic resources for a 
> column published in our local newspaper. I collected their publications 
> for over 3 years and although I will read them for our members continued 
> enjoyment I feel we must be mindful of any copyright infringements that 
> might be on them that I'm not aware of that prohibits reproduction.
>    Please join me when you can and enjoy the readings so we have the 
> opportunity to continue hearing their stories. Be thankful they are being 
> shared and that credit is properly given to the originators.
>    Audrey Wellner, Secretary
>    Krafters Korner, division
> ~~~~~
>   This is an example of what I mean. Certainly Joyce, when you finally 
> released the statements below I'm sure you didn't mean to write this 
> particular paragraph in the manner in which it was written. The statement 
> starting with....there was a discussion shouldn't have been placed in the 
> same paragraph with the statement that says... I had opened a discussion. 
> Because it was I that made the request that with the balance in the 
> treasury our current teachers could certainly be rewarded with some type 
> of monetary value for all the hard work they performed in the last 3 
> years.
>   I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that this was your idea or did you? 
> (Continue below)
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> There was a discussion made on honoring our current teachers an rewarding
> them with a gift or monitary gift to show our appreciation.  There was no
> motions made regarding this.  I had opened a discussion regarding our
> teachers being paid for their classes and a discussion on how to get money 
> to  pay them were talked about.    There were no motions or decisions 
> made
> regarding this.
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>   Seeing the reason for giving classes was to encourage people to 
> participate in membership than the best solution for solving this current 
> rift is not to have any recordings at all and this will help with class 
> attendance.  Either you're there or your not and you'll have to wait until 
> you can make time in your busy schedule to attend when the class is 
> repeated.  Put down your IPods, MP3's, recorders or whatever and 
> participate. Be an active connective verbal communicant.
>   Make this strictly about crafting, nip the social chat to off line 
> communications. If you want to talk about personal instructions, than 
> contact the teacher off-line like it always has been and should have been 
> used.
>   Our goal was to solely give our teachers the confidence to know that 
> they can teach by doing so on-line, but then any self instruction and 
> additional help was something they could develop off-line as a private 
> business of their own. The list serve wasn't meant to be used to give long 
> on list instructions to everyone--afterall that's what the classes were 
> developed for. Nor was it to be used as one line social answers that no 
> one cares to know about and actually gets very annoyed because they are 
> only understood by two people who should reserve their communications to 
> private off-line conversations.
>    As I said at the end of my Christmas reading--the Pay It Forward idea 
> is a lovely one, but in order for it to be considered worthy and rewarding 
> it should not be boasted or written about.  It only works if it is left 
> unspoken and truly from the heart.
>    We don't want to leave all our good friends and teachers behind--if you 
> care, choose your written words carefully and hopefully this can be 
> mended. People have feelings and don't want to be overlooked, not thanked 
> or simply abused for the ambitions and personal gains of others.
>    Audrey Wellner, Secretary
>    Krafters Korner division
> THE END - I hope
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> There has been a lot of discussion on the list regarding the recording of
> the classes.  So I would like to clarify this to everyone.  The  classes
> given by National Federation of the Blind Krafters Division  have  been
> recorded with the knowledge of the teachers and the students.  There  is 
> an
> announcement made when the recording is turned on and in order for anyone 
> to enter
> the room a statement is made that the room is being recorded.  It  is up 
> to
> the individual if they do not want to be recorded to hang up.
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> We have Laurie Porter who is in charge of retreaving the MP3 files from 
> our
> conference service, uploading them to send space, obtaining a list of
> email  addresses of who attended the class and sending a notice out to the
> students  that the recordings are available for the student to download.
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> It has been NFB Krafters Division policy that recordings are only for the
> students who attend a class.    This will continue to be our  policy.
> Classes will be recorded and only be given to the students who  attend the 
> class.
>
> Joyce  Kane
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> --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Blindhands at aol.com <Blindhands at aol.com> wrote:
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> From: Blindhands at aol.com <Blindhands at aol.com>
> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] board meetings
> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
> Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:37 PM
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> The last board meeting was in Dallas Texas at the Convention and it was
> open to all members.
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> All that information was available at that board meeting.  The 
> secretary's
> report was read as she was not at that board meeting.  The  treasurer's
> report was given at that time and there was 3 board members that 
> attended.
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> We have not had a board meeting since that time.
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> I called together the board on Jan 5 and gave them a 2 week notice of this
> meeting.  I needed to know who would be planning to be at the next board
> meeting in Tampa Florida and to discuss plans for the Convention.
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> The people who were in attendence were Joyce Kane, Cindy Sheets, Laurie
> Porter Audrey Wellner, Linda Anderson   Diane Felipe was not there and 
> Ramona
> Walhoff came late and left early.
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> There was no suggestions about plans for Convention, but there is 4 that
> are planning on attending Convention and no decisions on  if plans, 
> classes,
> demos volunteers to sit in the Exhibit Hall were made.  I will be 
> checking
> to see if we can have a room with tables to have the craft show as we  did
> the previous two years.
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> There was a discussion made on honoring our current teachers an rewarding
> them with a gift or monitary gift to show our appreciation.  There was no
> motions made regarding this.  I had opened a discussion regarding our
> teachers being paid for their classes and a discussion on how to get money 
> to  pay
> them were talked about.    There were no motions or decisions  made
> regarding this.
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> There was a discussion regarding Elections in July at our next board
> meeting in Florida.  The two board member positions will be up for 
> Election.  I
> shared with the others that Ramona has asked to see if we can  get someone
> to take her place.
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> I brought up the topic  about the recording of the classes and that 
> people
> have asked for the recordings of the classes and it has been our rules
> that you need to attend the class in order to receive the recording.  In 
> this
> discussion it was talked about people in different time zones not being
> available for the times we offer the said classes.  It was discussed about
> finding more teachers to teach classes in these different time zones.  It 
> has
> been the rule from the first class recorded that students who take the 
> class
> get the recording.  That is the only way you can get the recordings that
> are being recorded bby NFB Krafters Division.
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> The National Federation of the Blind Krafters Division has never sold or
> even given any recordings out to anyone except for the students that have
> attended the class.
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> Joyce Kane,  President
> National  Federation of the Blind Krafters Division
> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
> Blindhands at AOL.com
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> In a message dated 1/7/2011 6:45:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> etscrivani at verizon.net writes:
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> Cindy:
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> I've been a paid up dues member of this division  & a volunteer instructor
> since just about its beginning.  I think  it will be 3 years this summer
> and
> in all that time I have never seen any  mention of open board meetings and
> maybe saw only one of the board meeting  reports about 2 years ago that 
> was
> written up by Audrey as Secretary for  the division.  Another two people 
> on
> this list  has called it to  my attention, something I was not aware of 
> and
> something the board for  this group does not make publically known is that
> all NFB board meetings  for I think all the divisions are open and any
> member
> can attend and be a  part of the process.  The Nagdu division, has monthly
> meetings (it is  a national division so they do it by phone) and they make
> announcements on  their list asking if members have questions they would
> like
> to discuss  during the phone meeting.  In other words, all the members are
> invited to be active participants.  With that said, why wasn't the  phone
> number for the Krafters division meeting posted and the offer of  having 
> as
> many members attend as wanted to?  If I had been allowed to  participate 
> in
> the meeting of the other night I would have been there and  know there are
> other instructors with similar concerns that would have  attended.
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> Additionally, in the 3 years I've been a dues paying member,  I have never
> nor has anyone else who is just a member seen a treasurer's  report, no
> report on how many people are signed up to this list no report  on how 
> many
> of the members are paying dues, no report on classes that have  been
> offered,
> no report on itemized expenses for the group.  Just no  reporting of any
> kind. A little verbal mention on a Monday night chat, by  the way is not a
> report nor a substitute for a board meeting.  So  after 3 years of paying
> dues, how much money is in the Krafters Korners  Division's treasury and
> what
> is it being spent on?  If you don't have  that information off the top of
> your head or other leadership does not  know the answers off the tops of
> their heads, then where are the written  records in accessible format so
> that
> members can find this information  out?   Any organization that collects
> money must be above and  beyond question and there is an obligation to
> report
> openly & honestly  on where the money is going and how much of it there 
> is.
> These are serious  concerns that all need to be addressed openly &
> publically
> for  division members.
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> When exactly and how frequently are board meetings  held?  What is the
> phone
> number so that members can participate and  have a say in what goes on?
> When
> was the last time this board for  this group met?  When is the next board
> meeting date &  time?  I think what ever went on in Wednesday's night
> meeting
> was a  fraud because yes it was behind closed doors and not at all
> democratic,  but very dictatorial.
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> Thanks for the openness and  honesty.
>
> Eileen
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> From:  "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011  3:35 AM
> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner]  classes and times
>
>> Eileen,
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>> I am NOT speaking for  the board in this message. However, I want to
> assure
>> you that your  questions and complaints have not fallen on deaf ears. As
>> you
>>  stated, the leadership needs to make the final decision. Until that
>>  decision
>> is made, you cannot receive an answer. The board does not  meet daily or
>> weekly, so a decision cannot be made within a single  day.
>>
>> You will be contacted when things are  finalized.
>>
>> As to Joyce's comment about wanting to hear from  the instructors, you 
>> are
>> only one instructor and we want to know why  the other instructors or
>> potential instructors are not joining the  discussion because it doesn't
>> matter what time students would like  classes if there are no instructors
>> available to teach them at  alternate times.
>>
>> This topic was started as a way to hear from  the membership and create a
>> list of times that we might be able to  fill in the future. No one on the
>> board or in the division expects you  as ONE instructor to find a way to
>> fill
>> all of these times.  You have been a great instructor and provided a
>> valuable
>>  resource to this division. There have been many students that have
>>  benefited
>> from your classes.
>>
>> Cindy  S.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:  nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>  [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>  Eileen Scrivani
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:43  PM
>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>> Subject:  Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and  times
>>>
>>>
>>> Joyce:
>>>
>>>  besides seneding you three private emails on this topic, I am
>>> an  instructor
>>> who has posted thoughts on the subject of class  recordings,
>>> but my messages
>>> to the divison leadeership  has fallen on deaf ears.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> From:  <Blindhands at aol.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:04  PM
>>> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject:  [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>
>>> > I am back  online with JAWS working 100% so now I can reply to the
>>> >  emails.
>>> >
>>> > After listening to all the email  regarding classes and after
>>> > discussing this with the board  members of the NFB Krafters
>>> Division I
>>> > would like  others to  know our thoughts.
>>> >
>>> > We  defintely have grown and spread not only within the USA,
>>> but  around
>>> > the globe.  We want to continue our growth and  bring
>>> Krafters Korner
>>> > every where there is a need  for  us to learn, share and teach each
>>> > other the  crafting skills of this group.
>>> >
>>> > With all that  has been said it has proven that we need more
>>> classes  at
>>> > different times.  After saying that we have the  ability of
>>> doing these
>>> > classes, recording them  and having students interact live with the
>>> > teacher and other  students.  Now we need to find a way to
>>> do this  at
>>> > different times to
>>> > include more people  around the World.  We have heard from
>>> friends in
>>>  > India,
>>> > Australia, New Zealan, Canada and Alaska that  have taken or
>>> would love to
>>> > take a  class,  but the timing is not great for them.  I ask
>>> each one  of
>>> > you to
>>> > seriously think about what you  would like from Krafters
>>> Korner and if one
>>> >  of  your answers are take classes like others, then I ask
>>> you  to please
>>> > contact me  off list.   _Blindhands at aol.com_
>>> (mailto:Blindhands at aol.com)
>>> >  I would like to work with you to make this happen.
>>>  >
>>> > While this conversation went on there was not much  comments
>>> being made
>>> > from
>>> > our  teachers regarding this and I would also like to hear from the
>>>  > teachers off  list.  We do have teachers living in
>>>  different time zones
>>> > and maybe
>>> > some of   them would be willing to try different times for
>>> classes.  I  need
>>> > to
>>> > hear  from the  teachers.
>>> >
>>> > The question has been brought up  why and who picked classes to be
>>> > during the week starting at  8 p.m.  When Krafters Korner
>>> first started
>>> >  out the list was small and most folks were living on the East  coast
>>> > and Central time
>>> > zone.  Laurie  Porter did our first class and it was a
>>> beading class.    I
>>> > had
>>> > asked  our list people what time  and weekend or during the
>>> week would
>>> > be best and  that is how we started out.  We did try classes on the
>>> >  weekend during the day and in the evening and in the evening  during
>>> > the week.  We  had more folks show up for a  class in the evening
>>> > during the week.  When  classes
>>> > began we would maybe have 3or 4 and maybe 5 people at  a
>>> class.   That did
>>> > include the teacher  and me in those numbers.  Now look at
>>> the   attendence
>>> > of a
>>> > class.
>>>  >
>>> > So please contact me off list and let's work together  to
>>> develop this
>>> > further.
>>>  >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Joyce   Kane
>
> Eileen,
>    I also have been reading the comments on this thread concerning the 
> time constraints for classes and I agree with you whole heartily.
>    I'm sorry, but as members of this group you pay a $10 membership for 
> unlimited classes for a whole year where you can sit home in your PJ's, 
> put your finger in the dial and call in an get instructions from a teacher 
> who understands your special challenges in crafting, they also spend hours 
> making sure their instructions are clearly understood, give you a back up 
> MP3 copy of the class and sometimes also makes time for additional 
> questions and then she shouldn't have the choice of determining when it's 
> convenient for her to conduct the class!  The excuses and reasons are a 
> little unclear here.
>    No teacher I ever had in school, ever worried whether it was 
> inconvenient for me to almost kill myself driving through snow laden 
> streets to get to class on the time it was scheduled. Never in mind of 
> sitting home and dialing in or whether I had to pick up my child, cook my 
> dinner (many nights of which I went without between work and night 
> classes) to make sure I made it on time, even if they were art or leisure 
> classes. I would have never thought of asking my teacher to meet my 
> schedule, especially if they were doing it on a volunteer basis.
>    When I worked in administration and had to prepare a schedule for night 
> school classes, we prepared our community night school calendars six 
> months in advance for classes.  The time slots were filled and both 
> teachers and students had to prepare for the particular time that was set 
> aside. Here Joyce is working with a calendar and times where she is trying 
> to accommodate everyone's schedule across at least a 3 to 6 hour time 
> difference, not just one time zone and trying to find a time convenient 
> for most people. As Terry K put it, "the hard decisions have to come from 
> leadership."
>
>  I have been following all the interesting comments about time for 
> lessons,
> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard decisions 
> have
> to come from leadership. I can do about every time frame, days are 
> difficult
> as now new year training like Freedom Science if, computer training.
> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
> Terry K
>
>   It has been interesting to hear the comments and I really feel sorry for 
> those who are in the far reaches of our nation and overseas. I'm sure as 
> we go forward Joyce and the board will try to make some additional 
> arrangements. But please try to understand and be considerate of our 
> volunteer, unpaid teachers and not just request their recordings without 
> making an effort to give them the courtesy of attending their classes. 
> Your individual question can not be properly addressed by a recording.
>
> Audrey Wellner, Secretary
> Krafters Korner, division
>
>
> My goodness......me, me, me
>
>
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