[Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports was: classes and times

[Eileen Scrivani]

Terry:

One correction the availability to board meetings is a small part of the 
problem.  The huge issue is if the NFB or NFB KKD is claiming to own the 
recordings of other instructors materials.  I do not gift my class materials 
away as stated many times before, nor am I the only instructor who has 
voiced this.

Eileen


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From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:12 AM
To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports was: classes and 
times

> Cindy;
> I think our biggest complaint is that we think the board meeting should be 
> open to all who want to attend, just like a Monday night chat.  No one 
> knew about the meeting in time.  We would like to be included in all board 
> meetings, like all other NFB divisions do.
>
> Terry Powers
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slery [mailto:slerythema at insightbb.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 12:16 PM
> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports was: classes and 
> times
>
> Eileen,
>
> First, this is the first email I am reading today, therefore, I have no 
> prior knowledge to any of the discussion that may have occurred just prior 
> to this message.
>
> Second, every year at the annual meeting of this division, a Presidential 
> Report, Secretary's Report, and Treasurer's Report is given.
>
> Third, do you have any idea how long the NAGDU division has been around? I 
> know for at least ten years or more. I also have attended several of their 
> meetings and know that their membership is substantially larger than ours 
> (their annual meeting attendance is triple or more than ours).
>
> Now, the reason that I say that is to point out that they have had many 
> years to grow, many years to try new things, and many years to expand 
> their membership and meet its needs. As you stated, we are only three 
> years old; that puts us in the early stages of growth and learning to meet 
> the needs of our membership.
>
> As part of the leadership, I can tell you that we are learning about 
> keeping records and generating reports (other than the those listed above) 
> and how to make that available to the membership. All of the reports that 
> I listed above are read at the annual meeting and anyone--member or 
> non-member--may attend that meeting. NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE IN SECRET and I 
> personally resent the fact that you insinuate that it is. Any of these 
> reports could have been provided to anyone that asked for them. Did you 
> ask for a copy and someone refused to supply it to you? The National 
> Office requires reports from us every year. Did you ask if we could have a 
> board meeting to discuss this topic? Did you ask if the board meeting 
> could be open to the membership?
>
> The Board of this division is NOT trying to keep anything from the 
> membership. The meeting we had last night was called back in December 
> before this discussion about classes was ever brought up. Joyce has been 
> compiling data on classes and trying to put together an end of year report 
> to let the membership see how many classes we have had and what 
> accomplishments we've made and hope to do in the future. This has been in 
> the process for over a month. We are taking in all of the things that have 
> been done and looking at comments that members have made to Joyce 
> privately and trying to figure out how we can move toward meeting some of 
> those requests.
>
> Right now, I am deeply disappointed that the work being done by this board 
> to try and figure out how to accomplish things in the future for the 
> ENTIRE group is not being given the time to come up with solutions.
>
> Cindy S.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dixie
>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 9:59 AM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports was:
>> classes and times
>>
>>
>> I am the treasurer of the Connecticut Council of the Blind.
>> I am required to make a monthly statement of the treasury, receipts
>> and disbursements.  I think that this is a reasonable request.  I also
>> think that this is a reasonable request to have monthly or quarterly
>> general organizational meetings for the membership.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Dixie
>> ~  @-> ~ <-@  ~
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Eileen Scrivani
>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 9:44 AM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>
>> Cindy:
>>
>> I've been a paid up dues member of this division & a
>> volunteer instructor
>> since just about its beginning.  I think it will be 3 years
>> this summer and
>> in all that time I have never seen any mention of open board
>> meetings and
>> maybe saw only one of the board meeting reports about 2 years
>> ago that was
>> written up by Audrey as Secretary for the division.  Another
>> two people on
>> this list  has called it to my attention, something I was not
>> aware of and
>> something the board for this group does not make publically
>> known is that
>> all NFB board meetings for I think all the divisions are open
>> and any member
>>
>> can attend and be a part of the process.  The Nagdu division,
>> has monthly
>> meetings (it is a national division so they do it by phone)
>> and they make
>> announcements on their list asking if members have questions
>> they would like
>>
>> to discuss during the phone meeting.  In other words, all the
>> members are
>> invited to be active participants.  With that said, why
>> wasn't the phone
>> number for the Krafters division meeting posted and the offer
>> of having as
>> many members attend as wanted to?  If I had been allowed to
>> participate in
>> the meeting of the other night I would have been there and
>> know there are
>> other instructors with similar concerns that would have attended.
>>
>> Additionally, in the 3 years I've been a dues paying member,
>> I have never
>> nor has anyone else who is just a member seen a treasurer's
>> report, no
>> report on how many people are signed up to this list no
>> report on how many
>> of the members are paying dues, no report on classes that
>> have been offered,
>>
>> no report on itemized expenses for the group.  Just no
>> reporting of any
>> kind. A little verbal mention on a Monday night chat, by the
>> way is not a
>> report nor a substitute for a board meeting.  So after 3
>> years of paying
>> dues, how much money is in the Krafters Korners Division's
>> treasury and what
>>
>> is it being spent on?  If you don't have that information off
>> the top of
>> your head or other leadership does not know the answers off
>> the tops of
>> their heads, then where are the written records in accessible
>> format so that
>>
>> members can find this information out?   Any organization
>> that collects
>> money must be above and beyond question and there is an
>> obligation to report
>>
>> openly & honestly on where the money is going and how much of
>> it there is.
>> These are serious concerns that all need to be addressed
>> openly & publically
>>
>> for division members.
>>
>> When exactly and how frequently are board meetings held?
>> What is the phone
>> number so that members can participate and have a say in what
>> goes on?  When
>>
>> was the last time this board for this group met?  When is the
>> next board
>> meeting date & time?  I think what ever went on in
>> Wednesday's night meeting
>>
>> was a fraud because yes it was behind closed doors and not at all
>> democratic, but very dictatorial.
>>
>> Thanks for the openness and honesty.
>>
>> Eileen
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 3:35 AM
>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>
>> > Eileen,
>> >
>> > I am NOT speaking for the board in this message. However, I want to
>> > assure you that your questions and complaints have not
>> fallen on deaf
>> > ears. As you stated, the leadership needs to make the final
>> decision.
>> > Until that decision
>> > is made, you cannot receive an answer. The board does not
>> meet daily or
>> > weekly, so a decision cannot be made within a single day.
>> >
>> > You will be contacted when things are finalized.
>> >
>> > As to Joyce's comment about wanting to hear from the
>> instructors, you
>> > are only one instructor and we want to know why the other
>> instructors
>> > or potential instructors are not joining the discussion because it
>> > doesn't matter what time students would like classes if
>> there are no
>> > instructors available to teach them at alternate times.
>> >
>> > This topic was started as a way to hear from the membership
>> and create
>> > a list of times that we might be able to fill in the
>> future. No one on
>> > the board or in the division expects you as ONE instructor
>> to find a
>> > way to fill all of these times. You have been a great
>> instructor and
>> > provided a valuable
>> > resource to this division. There have been many students that have
>> > benefited
>> > from your classes.
>> >
>> > Cindy S.
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Eileen
>> >> Scrivani
>> >> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:43 PM
>> >> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Joyce:
>> >>
>> >> besides seneding you three private emails on this topic, I am an
>> >> instructor who has posted thoughts on the subject of class
>> >> recordings, but my messages
>> >> to the divison leadeership has fallen on deaf ears.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>> >> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:04 PM
>> >> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>> >>
>> >> > I am back online with JAWS working 100% so now I can
>> reply to the
>> >> > emails.
>> >> >
>> >> > After listening to all the email regarding classes and after
>> >> > discussing this with the board members of the NFB Krafters
>> >> Division I
>> >> > would like others to  know our thoughts.
>> >> >
>> >> > We defintely have grown and spread not only within the USA,
>> >> but around
>> >> > the globe.  We want to continue our growth and bring
>> >> Krafters Korner
>> >> > every where there is a need for  us to learn, share and
>> teach each
>> >> > other the crafting skills of this group.
>> >> >
>> >> > With all that has been said it has proven that we need more
>> >> classes at
>> >> > different times.  After saying that we have the ability of
>> >> doing these
>> >> > classes, recording them and having students interact
>> live with the
>> >> > teacher and other students.  Now we need to find a way to
>> >> do this at
>> >> > different times to
>> >> > include more people around the World.  We have heard from
>> >> friends in
>> >> > India,
>> >> > Australia, New Zealan, Canada and Alaska that have taken or
>> >> would love to
>> >> > take a  class, but the timing is not great for them.  I ask
>> >> each one of
>> >> > you to
>> >> > seriously think about what you would like from Krafters
>> >> Korner and if one
>> >> > of  your answers are take classes like others, then I ask
>> >> you to please
>> >> > contact me  off list.  _Blindhands at aol.com_
>> >> (mailto:Blindhands at aol.com)
>> >> > I would like to work with you to make this happen.
>> >> >
>> >> > While this conversation went on there was not much comments
>> >> being made
>> >> > from
>> >> > our teachers regarding this and I would also like to
>> hear from the
>> >> > teachers off  list.  We do have teachers living in
>> >> different time zones
>> >> > and maybe
>> >> > some of  them would be willing to try different times for
>> >> classes.  I need
>> >> > to
>> >> > hear  from the teachers.
>> >> >
>> >> > The question has been brought up why and who picked
>> classes to be
>> >> > during the week starting at 8 p.m.  When Krafters Korner
>> >> first started
>> >> > out the list was small and most folks were living on the
>> East coast
>> >> > and Central time zone.  Laurie Porter did our first class and it
>> >> > was a
>> >> beading class.   I
>> >> > had
>> >> > asked  our list people what time and weekend or during the
>> >> week would
>> >> > be best and that is how we started out.  We did try
>> classes on the
>> >> > weekend during the day and in the evening and in the
>> evening during
>> >> > the week.  We  had more folks show up for a class in the evening
>> >> > during the week.  When classes began we would maybe have
>> 3or 4 and
>> >> > maybe 5 people at a
>> >> class.   That did
>> >> > include the teacher and me in those numbers.  Now look at
>> >> the  attendence
>> >> > of a
>> >> > class.
>> >> >
>> >> > So please contact me off list and let's work together to
>> >> develop this
>> >> > further.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Joyce  Kane
>> >> > _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> >> > Blindhands at AOL.com
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