[Nfb-krafters-korner] what you are forgetting

Tue May 3 20:53:23 UTC 2011

But Dixie Eileen, Joyce and the Board are taking the extraordinary step of
not retaining the recordings.  They are turning around against this lawyers
advice and saying no we will not retain in any form the recordings.  The
recordings belong to the teachers and the students.

I think Joyce and the board are saying we agree with you the teachers. 

Thank you Joyce and the Board of Krafters Korner for respecting our
teachers.

Anyway, we will get the word on this on Monday at the open board meeting. 

Becky and Jake  

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eileen Scrivani
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 12:48 PM
To: List for blind crafters and artists
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] what you are forgetting

Dixie:

I totally agree with your review & comments on the agreement statement. 
I've read & re-read the statement and have had  other family members look at

the statement.  Everyone who has read it over that I've asked, seems to say 
this statement is one sided favoring in the benefit of the NFB & gives zero 
rights to the instructors & gives all rights to the NFB &/or NFB KKD to 
whatever they like with recordings without any permission.  Agreeing to this

statement appears to sign away all rights of both the instructors as well as

anyone else who participates in the recordings.

Eileen

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dixie
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 1:45 PM
To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] what you are forgetting

Joyce,

You said:
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I am sorry you feel this way.  This statement is what Attorney Brown  had
suggested and approved.   We were forced to do this to clarify the  NFB
Krafters
Division responsibility for the recordings.
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And further on you said:
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This statement  clarifies what the division's rights are
and if you look into the meaning behind  this statement I believe the
teachers
can get their answer too.
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The way I see it, in looking into the meaning of the statement, as you
suggest we do, is:
The agreement states:  "Classes will be recorded for dissemination to
students that attend the
class.
This appears to me that:  This section is giving the NFB KK the right,  to
record the classes and hand them out to the students who have attended
class.

The next section of the statement states:
Recordings are provided by the National Federation of the Blind (NFB)
Krafters Division

In my evaluation of the above section it appears that this statement is
laying the footwork to ownership of the recordings.

The NFB KK statement goes on to say:
At the end of class (all sessions for a given class), the
NFB Krafters Division retains a nonexclusive license to copy, distribute or
sell recordings in part or as a whole, including the use for promotional
purposes, without remuneration.

In my view, this is the clause that hands over all the instructors rights as
well as the students' rights of privacy to the NFB.  It allows them, the
NFB,  to use those recordings any way they, the NFB, choose to, without
being required to compensate or even ask for further permission of either
the instructor, or the students who have been recorded.  It allows for the
NFB   to edit, distribute the recordings, sell the recordings, post them on
the internet, etc.

So, although as some have mentioned, the entire recording of a class may not
be of interest to anyone other than the members of the class, due to chit
chat etc., the edited versions could be copied, sold, posted on the
internet, etc.  This is where the problem is lying.  It appears that is
where the NFB is taking ownership of something in order that they may use it
however they may see fit to in the future.

So, Joyce, if that is not the intention of this clause, maybe you can see
how it appears to be coming across, and maybe it is not to be in our best
interest?

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