[Nfb-krafters-korner] Using braille in crafts, was, Re: more picture info

[slerythema]

Lynda,

You missed my point. I don't care if you use braille in your daily life or
to accomplish things, that it is your choice. I also don't care if you ever
use in braille in your artwork, again, that is your choice.

The whole point that I was trying to make is that braille can be used in any
artwork without it having to be a literary means of communication. Anyone
can derive beauty from braille whether they can read it or not, the braille
does not even have to be actual words. Your statement that I was commenting
on conveyed the meaning that braille was useless in any art form if you
couldn't read it. There are many people in this world that find beauty in
braille that are sighted and see it only in an aesthetic way. I want others
on this list to realize that braille is not simply for the blind and only a
means of literacy.

Cindy S.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> River Woman
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:39 AM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Using braille in crafts, 
> was,Re: more picture info
> 
> 
>  I use all kinds of technology for everything I need to do - 
> note taking, 
> writing, remembering things like phone numbers and addresses, 
> cooking, etc. 
> When I am plotting out my plan for my solo exhibition, I put 
> it all into 
> individual files, and into a folder, on my computer. I plan 
> out evry detail 
> and label that file and put it in the folder. I can do it so 
> quickly and 
> efficiently.For my recent show I had files for every detail I 
> needed to be 
> planning...food, publicity, artist's statement, photos of the works, 
> invitations, show program, gallery lay out, etc.  I can do 
> anything on the 
> computer I used to do before I lost my sight - I use a 
> milestone all the 
> time to take notes and remember things, phone numbers, 
> addresses, temporary 
> things I need to take note of, etc. Then, I use the Milestone 
> when I am back 
> at my computer, and I type in the information from that 
> Milestone. Super 
> FAST and I love it. My Milestone takes the place of anything 
> I would be 
> writing with Braille. I have no prejudices about Braille at all, and 
> understand how people use it, but my Milestone does it all 
> for me, along 
> with my computer.
> 
> So sorry if some folks think I am knocking Braille, I can 
> assure you I am 
> not doing that at all. I truly do NOT need it -
> Lynda River Woman
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Denise Shaible" <denise.shaible at att.net>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Using braille in crafts, 
> was,Re: more 
> picture info
> 
> 
> > Okay, here I am again.  It's okay for you to say Braille doesn't 
> > interest
> > you but, what if it interests someone who sees your work and wants 
> > something with Braille on it, merely as a pretty series of 
> texture?  I 
> > think you're limiting yourself.  Then again, if you weren't 
> raised using 
> > Braille or don't use it for reading or writing, I can 
> understand your 
> > point of view.  I just thought of something.  When I was in 
> jr. high, I 
> > was in an art class.  we had to do a project in which we 
> used India ink 
> > and drew pictures using letters.  I was into German back 
> then and drew a 
> > beer stein with German letters saying Bier (beer in 
> German).  So, why not 
> > Braille letters?  One could spell out Braille words and 
> people may not 
> > know what they mean but the artist would know.  Blind 
> people would like it 
> > but I know from experience that sighted people would like 
> it, too.  Well, 
> > that's what I think.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Denise
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slerythema
> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:50 PM
> > To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Using braille in crafts, 
> was,Re: more 
> > picture info
> >
> > Lynda,
> >
> > I am not contesting your personal philosophy, however, your 
> statement,
> > "the
> > only thing that
> > braille would communicate would be to a person who uses it." is not
> > accurate.
> >
> > In my graduate creative writing class, I used braille for 
> my comments 
> > that
> > I
> > might make in class for each story and placed the sheet 
> with each of the
> > stories. At the end of class, when we handed back the 
> stories, I would 
> > throw
> > away my braille copies (printed comments were given back to the
> > individuals). One of my classmates was also an artist, and 
> she took these
> > pages of braille and cut them up and used them in her 
> artwork as texture.
> > She could not read braille and was not interested in what 
> it might say and
> > it was not placed on the artwork in any "readable" manner.
> >
> > Again, I have no problem with your views on text in your 
> artwork, just
> > don't
> > limit yourself that letters have to represent words, be 
> legible, or form
> > anything other than a juxtaposition between positive and 
> negative space.
> >
> > Cindy S.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of River 
> >> Woman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:09 AM
> >> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Using braille in crafts,
> >> was,Re: more picture info
> >>
> >>
> >> When I was creating a series of large vessels last year I 
> thought of 
> >> putting braille words on my pots - but then I decided not to -
> >> braille is not at all
> >> of interest to me - I use all electronics - it is a personal
> >> choice and I
> >> decided that putting braille on my pots would be meaningless
> >> to me, and our
> >> art reflects who we are personally and braille would not
> >> reflect me.  I
> >> thought about the idea of communication through art, and the
> >> only thing that
> >> braille would communicate would be to a person who uses it. I
> >> also thought
> >> about the notion of putting a "sign" of my art - putting any
> >> kind of words
> >> in any manner on my vessels would make them didactic, and I
> >> don't want to
> >> limit anyone's imagination through use of any words or signs
> >> on anything I
> >> do. This is my personal art philosophy - I think about who my
> >> audience will
> >> be and how I will communicate to them - signs and words are
> >> usually really
> >> "stop signs" to most people. The exact opposite of what I
> >> want my work to
> >> do.
> >>
> >> With everything we do, we need to consider why we do it, 
> who we are 
> >> doing it for, and what the end goal of it is.
> >> And, that is when it becomes art - when it expressed ideas
> >> and concepts.
> >>
> >> Lynda River Woman
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Denise Shaible" <denise.shaible at att.net>
> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:10 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Using braille in crafts,
> >> was,Re: more
> >> picture info
> >>
> >>
> >> > Okay, as usual, I'm a little behind in reading all of 
> the posts I 
> >> > receive from Krafters Korner.  I just read this one about using
> >> Braille in crafts.
> >> > I was once involved with a ministry with my former church
> >> in Pompano
> >> > Beach, FL.  We needed to make crafts and send cards and
> >> letters to those
> >> > on retreat and I made a cross with full Braille cells.  I
> >> put it on a book
> >> > mark and another time, I made the cross on post cards and
> >> wrote a note on
> >> > the back. People who received these little gifts really
> >> liked them and
> >> > were fascinated by them as they had never seen crafts made
> >> from Braille.
> >> > I think large Braille dots would make some nice crafts for
> >> borders, etc.
> >> > I never got the chance to experiment with this but I think
> >> it would work.
> >> > this could be achieved with a slate and styllus.  I used a
> >> Braille writer
> >> > for the crosses, though.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Denise
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Lindy van der Merwe
> >> > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:46 PM
> >> > To: List for blind crafters and artists
> >> > Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Using braille in crafts,
> >> was,Re: more
> >> > picture info
> >> >
> >> > Yes, Terry, I am currently checking out the program to
> >> figure out what
> >> > it can do. I have to figure out some of the terms and
> >> concepts since
> >> > it has been a long
> >> > time since I have done these type of calculations.
> >> > If anybody manages a drawing, please let us know. Even if
> >> it just prints
> >> > on
> >> > a normal printer, I am sure my husband and children will 
> have some 
> >> > comments about my attempts at drawing (grin).
> >> > Related to the subject of drawing without sight, I have
> >> actually used
> >> > braille in the past in some of my crafts. I normally used my 
> >> > Perkins Brailler, for instance, to make a frame around 
> an a5-sized
> >> piece of paper
> >> > for a birthday card or for a photo frame. I would sometimes
> >> use a straight
> >> > line or a pattern, like the ie-ie- combination, or similar.
> >> I have also
> >> > drawn some basic shapes in braille for my children to
> >> colour or decorate.
> >> > Lastly I have used braille for texture when folding origami
> >> boxes, for
> >> > instance. I would either do the braille myself or use 
> pages of old 
> >> > magazines. Lindy
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
> >> > To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" 
> >> > <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:57 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] more picture info
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Lindi;
> >> >> If we can get this working, Look at the patern world it
> >> would open up
> >> >> to
> >> >> you.  Any one you know in your country or in the US 
> could mail you 
> >> >> diagrams of paterns, shapes... It would open up a new way of 
> >> >> shairing paterns and ideas!
> >> >>
> >> >> Terry P.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Lindy van der Merwe [mailto:stephlin at iafrica.com]
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:23 PM
> >> >> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] more picture info
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you, Joyce.
> >> >> I find this all very interesting. I find the idea of 
> being able to 
> >> >> draw with a computer program, and as a blind person, quite
> >> fascinating. I am
> >> >> sure there are all kinds of uses for such a program, e.g.
> >> being able to
> >> >> draw simple shapes/pictures of basic objects, numbers and
> >> letters for our
> >> >> children, card making, scrap booking, and of course for
> >> crafts that may
> >> >> become more accessible by using such a program, not to 
> mention the 
> >> >> possibilities for blind students and teachers. Here in South 
> >> >> Africa, as in other countries, braille
> >> printers are quite
> >> >> expensive for the average blind person and there are only
> >> a few places
> >> >> that will do braille embossing; normally it can take a
> >> long time too, so
> >> >> there is a waiting period.
> >> >> So, I would be interested in other ways of making the 
> print into a 
> >> >> tactile format, which will enable one to do a drawing,
> >> print or emboss,
> >> >> or whatever, and feel what you have drawn.
> >> >> I also like the idea of being able to write a line of
> >> text. I can see
> >> >> some possibilities for this too.
> >> >> Lindy
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> >> >> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:47 PM
> >> >> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] more picture info
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> OK I found out what PIAF is.  By the way in case 
> anyone wants to 
> >> >>> know P I A F stands for pictures in a flash.  The machine that 
> >> >>> basically produces this is a heating unit.  The price 
> for it is 
> >> >>> $1399 plus $45 shipping. This only can produce black and white 
> >> >>> photos.  That is what  I
> >> was told by
> >> >>> a company that sells these babies.  Professor Baldwin
> >> also  mentioned
> >> >>> that the paper used to produce these graphics with this
> >> cost 80 cents
> >> >>> per sheet.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So that is that information for us.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Joyce  Kane
> >> >>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/) 
> >> >>> Blindhands at AOL.com 
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