[Nfb-krafters-korner] OT helen Keller quote re deafnessvs blindness

Tue Feb 19 22:23:50 UTC 2013

Becky,
How awful!  I can't for the life of me understand why people with no
understanding at all wind up in those type positions i.e. working with blind
or deaf!  I don't have a hearing problem, but can never understand those
audio captia things when trying to sign up for groups and the like.  I
really hate it when you know that with a minimal bit of assistance you can
soar... and the  world slips a big clear window infront of you and you smack
right into it!ouch!  Becky, you have a very warm and caring spirit, and I am
sorry that you felt bad. This lady was the inept one not you!

Jill
-----Original Message-----
From: Nfb-krafters-korner [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Becky Frankeberger
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:58 PM
To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] OT helen Keller quote re deafnessvs
blindness

Get thisBarb and anyone else with blindness and hearing loss.  I got an
email from a lady doing contract work from the Helen Keller Center.  So I
emailed her back my responses.  I got this email with a link.  Seems this
lady does not take anyone's emails unless they fill out a totally
inaccessible form to someone who is blind, fill in the numbers letter, and
deaf, the audio was so garbled again inaccessible to me. But to this sighted
lady it was accessible.  Fortunately she had her phone number at the bottom
of her email, so I called.  I asked her if she understood what who she was
working with.  I told her I can't read the number letter and I can't hear
the garbled audio.  This upset me so much I was crying.  How dare she make
me feel stupid, grumble. Well she is the one who needs to be ashamed not me.
There is nothing wrong with me I am very normal this deaf-blind gal, smile. 

Becky and guide dog Jake

-----Original Message-----
From: Nfb-krafters-korner [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Barb Roland
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:53 PM
To: List for blind crafters and artists
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] helen Keller quote re deafness vs
blindness

Now you guys can understand how I feel!!!!!
Surprisingly, deaf people can enjoy music, the bass anyway, t hey can feel
the vibrations thru objects.
I have been hard of hearing all my life, only started losing vision about
20-25 years ago, if I had a choice...right now, that is hard to say, I have
enjoyed the visual beauty for several years, that will remain in my memory
forever, I have never enjoyed/experienced the beauty of some sounds, those I
wish for a chance to hear.

Barb

Barb
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jill" <jillbilly4 at comcast.net>
To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:25 PM
Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] helen Keller quote re deafness vs blindness

> Terry,
> I agree with you about deafness.  I was at an event at the Helen Keller
> festival one year, and a presenter  told us what Helen Keller thought of 
> the
> 2 disabilities.  She said that Helen thought that blindness separated her
> from  things and deafness separated her from people .
> I can definitely understand her thinking.  Helen Keller was truly a
> brilliant person.
>
> Jill
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-krafters-korner [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Powers, Terry (NIH/NCI) [E]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:09 PM
> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Visualization & Color - creative or 
> crazy
>
> Even though I have never had good sight and my sight is gradually going 
> down
> hill, through out my life, I have always said, I would always rather be
> blind than deaf.
> Sight can be replased with description and fealing, and even hearing, but
> what would we do with out music, voice, the sound of a stream...
>
> Terry P.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henrietta Brewer [mailto:gary.brewer at comcast.net]
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 5:55 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Visualization & Color - creative or 
> crazy
>
> This whole thing began because of our discussion of the new camera system
> for people with rp. I think we are a special group. the eye condition
> effects more about us then just our vision.
>
> Have you ever met a person with RP who isn't creative? I don't think I 
> have.
>
>
> About the dreaming. It will come back vividly after the change of life
> begins. So just wait patiently. lol Henrieta On Feb 17, 2013, at 10:47 AM,
> Deidre Muccio wrote:
>
>> Linda and others
>> There has been a lot written about this type of phenomenon in those
>> who have lost their sight. With RP, I too have been through a lot of
>> this. At this point, the longer I have been without even a scrap of
>> vision, the more bland my dreams and other mental states reflect
>> anything resembling what I used to see. On the other hand, the senses
>> overlap, so with everything I hear or touch, it's as if I am seeing
>> it; it gets mapped out, perhaps even more practically than with
>> vision. Only thing is that the silent views of a dancer or actress on
>> stage, or mountain peaks in the distance, will forever be lost on me,
>> whereas I may be the only one who perceives the crackle in distant grass
> or a dog bark miles away.
>> Things all around us make an impression. You can't imagine
> how often
>> I have had to tell people "I am conscious" in response to their
>> screaming out "stop, "there is a curb coming up" as they see me
>> briskly trucking up the street.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfb-krafters-korner
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of River
>> Woman
>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:18 AM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Visualization & Color - WAS: OT
>> dreams
>>
>> we are all a little crazy, I think.
>> Yes, my brain puts on little shows for me, too.
>> I might be sitting at a table with other people, and I will ahve to
>> close my eyes for awhile because I am not seeing the people at all,
>> but I am watching animations of scenes and people - that has nothing
>> to do with where I am or who I am with. I see like this a lot - my
>> brain shows me little video type of glimpses of moments of animated
>> characters all the time. Who could ever understand that if I spoke it
> around someone who does not have sight loss?
>> Yes, they would think for sure, I am brain damaged, too. well, sort
>> of.  lol My brain sees just fine, it is the connection from my eyes to
>> the brain that has passed away - the optic nerve.
>>
>> I cannot imagine how you played the piano like that - you have to have
>> a photographic mind.  I have trouble remembering the line I am on in
>> my knitting pattern.
>>
>> OK, back to my sock now. Have a fun day!
>> Lynda
>>
>> Lynda Lambert
>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
>> Village of Wurtemburg, PA 16117
>>
>> Visit my Web Site at:  http://lyndalambert.com Visit my Blog at:
>> http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
>>
>> www.lyndalambert.com
>> www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Annette Carr" <amcarr1 at verizon.net>
>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 9:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Visualization & Color - WAS: OT
>> dreams
>>
>>
>>> Hi Linda,
>>>
>>> I totally get what you are talking about with being able to resolve
>>> problems in your dreams.  I too have figured out problems with
>>> patterns and math problems in my sleep.  When I was writing computer
>>> code, I could find the
>>> errors in my code while I slept.    Despite being visually impaired all
> of
>>> my life I am a visual learner.  When I could see enough to read piano
>>> music with a magnifier, I would memorize note by note for the right
>>> hand, and then note by note for the left hand.  Once I had that line
>>> memorized and could play the 2 hands together, I'd move on to the
>>> next line.  If at any point in the future I got stuck in the middle
>>> of a piece, I could recall that measure or line in my head and
>>> re-learn that part.
>>>
>>> Now that I no longer have color perception and a very limited spotted
>>> field of vision, my brain thinks it sees things.  I often have to
>>> keep my eyes closed to make my brain concentrate on what my other
>>> senses are taking in.
>>>
>>> I have definite ideas, thoughts and feelings about color and how and
>>> when to use color.  After being in a room I get a feeling of what
>>> color it should be.  This drives my family crazy.  Sometimes this
>>> drives me crazy too.
>>> For
>>> example, I have a coat that is black and I have to constantly remind
>>> myself of that.  When I touch it my brain imagines that it is
>>> burgundy with a lot of red in it.  Kind of like a stage curtain.
>>>
>>> As much as I love color, I get frustrated with incorporating multiple
>>> colors into my crafts.  I try to put colors together based on other
>>> people's descriptions.  I hate when I have a finished project and
>>> someone asks me why did I put those colors together, or says, that is
>>> an interesting mix of colors.  I've limited myself to solid colored
>>> projects that incorporate texture.  I'm giving a serious look at the
>>> various yarns that have very long lengths of color that make stripes
>>> without the hassle of having to weave in the ends.  Another reason
>>> why I run away from changing colors in a project.
>>>
>>> Annette
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfb-krafters-korner
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of River Woman
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 8:40 AM
>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] OT dreams
>>>
>>> OMG, Joyce, you are a BIG DREAMER - who are you kidding?  I mean,
>>> let's just expand the idea of what a dream is - you are a wide awake,
>>> walking, living dreamer.
>>>
>>> I dream constantly - all I have to do is close my eyes, and in
>>> moments I am off to places and situations. My dreams are always full
>>> of DRAMA...never the kind of dreams that you want to close your eyes
>>> and go back to sleep and try to resurrect.
>>>
>>> But, have any of you every been wrestling with a craft or art problem
>>> you could not solve? And, then, in a dream, you see yourself doing it
>>> and you wake up knowing exactly how to do something you never did
>>> before? I sure have.  I have figured out knitting problems in m
>>> sleep, and I even learned math concepts that I had a hard time with,
>>> in my dream. (I learned how to do "slope" in algebra that way, when
>>> my conscious mind could not "get it."
>>> I dream for ideas - sometimes I wake up and write down things I am
>>> seeing in my dreams - poems come that way to me at times.
>>>
>>> I think we have such a creative mind, all of us, that dreams are a
>>> continuation of our creative self.
>>>
>>> Lynda
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>>> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 7:05 AM
>>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] OT dreams
>>>
>>>
>>>> When I first lost my sight 15 years ago I did not dream.  It took a
>>>> bit more then 2 years before I started to dream once again.
>>>>
>>>> I felt, looking back,  that it must have been due to   concentrating so
>>>> much on minute to minute, day to day.  I couldn't think  about the
>>>> future as I didn't have any idea what future I would have or how it
>>>> would be.
>>>>
>>>> Well dreams came and started with familiar thoughts and surroundings
>>>> to begin with.
>>>>
>>>> Then it seemed to be stuck when I worked in the hospital and
>>>> doctor's office before I went in for my surgery and woke up blind.
>>>>
>>>> Dreams and ideas are back from time to time.
>>>>
>>>> Henrietta, I will tell you this between the steroid medication,
>>>> inhalers and occasional Advil, that leaves me wide open for some
>>>> weird and funny dreams.
>>>>
>>
>>
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