[Nfb-krafters-korner] helen Keller quote re deafness vsblindness

Wed Feb 20 03:42:46 UTC 2013

That is so true Jill.
Barb
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jill" <jillbilly4 at comcast.net>
To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] helen Keller quote re deafness 
vsblindness


> Barb,
> I had a friend who was blind, and his nephew had cerebral paulsey.  We 
> both
> thought how hard it must be for his nephew being unable to use his hands,
> unable to walk, and a speech impediment.  His nephew and I went to college
> together, and he was brilliant.  I hated how other students would dismiss
> him due to his difficult speech.  Several years later, I was speaking to 
> his
> uncle my friend, and he told me that his nephew told him how horrible he
> thought it was for his uncle and myself to be blind.  I learned then that 
> we
> all learn to adapt to our own circumstances.
> Jill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-krafters-korner [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Barb Roland
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:53 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] helen Keller quote re deafness
> vsblindness
>
> Now you guys can understand how I feel!!!!!
> Surprisingly, deaf people can enjoy music, the bass anyway, t hey can feel
> the vibrations thru objects.
> I have been hard of hearing all my life, only started losing vision about
> 20-25 years ago, if I had a choice...right now, that is hard to say, I 
> have
> enjoyed the visual beauty for several years, that will remain in my memory
> forever, I have never enjoyed/experienced the beauty of some sounds, those 
> I
>
> wish for a chance to hear.
>
> Barb
>
> Barb
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "jill" <jillbilly4 at comcast.net>
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:25 PM
> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] helen Keller quote re deafness vs blindness
>
>
>> Terry,
>> I agree with you about deafness.  I was at an event at the Helen Keller
>> festival one year, and a presenter  told us what Helen Keller thought of
>> the
>> 2 disabilities.  She said that Helen thought that blindness separated her
>> from  things and deafness separated her from people .
>> I can definitely understand her thinking.  Helen Keller was truly a
>> brilliant person.
>>
>> Jill
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfb-krafters-korner [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Powers, Terry (NIH/NCI) [E]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:09 PM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Visualization & Color - creative or
>> crazy
>>
>> Even though I have never had good sight and my sight is gradually going
>> down
>> hill, through out my life, I have always said, I would always rather be
>> blind than deaf.
>> Sight can be replased with description and fealing, and even hearing, but
>> what would we do with out music, voice, the sound of a stream...
>>
>> Terry P.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Henrietta Brewer [mailto:gary.brewer at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 5:55 PM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Visualization & Color - creative or
>> crazy
>>
>> This whole thing began because of our discussion of the new camera system
>> for people with rp. I think we are a special group. the eye condition
>> effects more about us then just our vision.
>>
>> Have you ever met a person with RP who isn't creative? I don't think I
>> have.
>>
>>
>> About the dreaming. It will come back vividly after the change of life
>> begins. So just wait patiently. lol Henrieta On Feb 17, 2013, at 10:47 
>> AM,
>> Deidre Muccio wrote:
>>
>>> Linda and others
>>> There has been a lot written about this type of phenomenon in those
>>> who have lost their sight. With RP, I too have been through a lot of
>>> this. At this point, the longer I have been without even a scrap of
>>> vision, the more bland my dreams and other mental states reflect
>>> anything resembling what I used to see. On the other hand, the senses
>>> overlap, so with everything I hear or touch, it's as if I am seeing
>>> it; it gets mapped out, perhaps even more practically than with
>>> vision. Only thing is that the silent views of a dancer or actress on
>>> stage, or mountain peaks in the distance, will forever be lost on me,
>>> whereas I may be the only one who perceives the crackle in distant grass
>> or a dog bark miles away.
>>> Things all around us make an impression. You can't imagine
>> how often
>>> I have had to tell people "I am conscious" in response to their
>>> screaming out "stop, "there is a curb coming up" as they see me
>>> briskly trucking up the street.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfb-krafters-korner
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of River
>>> Woman
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:18 AM
>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Visualization & Color - WAS: OT
>>> dreams
>>>
>>> we are all a little crazy, I think.
>>> Yes, my brain puts on little shows for me, too.
>>> I might be sitting at a table with other people, and I will ahve to
>>> close my eyes for awhile because I am not seeing the people at all,
>>> but I am watching animations of scenes and people - that has nothing
>>> to do with where I am or who I am with. I see like this a lot - my
>>> brain shows me little video type of glimpses of moments of animated
>>> characters all the time. Who could ever understand that if I spoke it
>> around someone who does not have sight loss?
>>> Yes, they would think for sure, I am brain damaged, too. well, sort
>>> of.  lol My brain sees just fine, it is the connection from my eyes to
>>> the brain that has passed away - the optic nerve.
>>>
>>> I cannot imagine how you played the piano like that - you have to have
>>> a photographic mind.  I have trouble remembering the line I am on in
>>> my knitting pattern.
>>>
>>> OK, back to my sock now. Have a fun day!
>>> Lynda
>>>
>>> Lynda Lambert
>>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
>>> Village of Wurtemburg, PA 16117
>>>
>>> Visit my Web Site at:  http://lyndalambert.com Visit my Blog at:
>>> http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> www.lyndalambert.com
>>> www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Annette Carr" <amcarr1 at verizon.net>
>>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 9:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Visualization & Color - WAS: OT
>>> dreams
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Linda,
>>>>
>>>> I totally get what you are talking about with being able to resolve
>>>> problems in your dreams.  I too have figured out problems with
>>>> patterns and math problems in my sleep.  When I was writing computer
>>>> code, I could find the
>>>> errors in my code while I slept.    Despite being visually impaired all
>> of
>>>> my life I am a visual learner.  When I could see enough to read piano
>>>> music with a magnifier, I would memorize note by note for the right
>>>> hand, and then note by note for the left hand.  Once I had that line
>>>> memorized and could play the 2 hands together, I'd move on to the
>>>> next line.  If at any point in the future I got stuck in the middle
>>>> of a piece, I could recall that measure or line in my head and
>>>> re-learn that part.
>>>>
>>>> Now that I no longer have color perception and a very limited spotted
>>>> field of vision, my brain thinks it sees things.  I often have to
>>>> keep my eyes closed to make my brain concentrate on what my other
>>>> senses are taking in.
>>>>
>>>> I have definite ideas, thoughts and feelings about color and how and
>>>> when to use color.  After being in a room I get a feeling of what
>>>> color it should be.  This drives my family crazy.  Sometimes this
>>>> drives me crazy too.
>>>> For
>>>> example, I have a coat that is black and I have to constantly remind
>>>> myself of that.  When I touch it my brain imagines that it is
>>>> burgundy with a lot of red in it.  Kind of like a stage curtain.
>>>>
>>>> As much as I love color, I get frustrated with incorporating multiple
>>>> colors into my crafts.  I try to put colors together based on other
>>>> people's descriptions.  I hate when I have a finished project and
>>>> someone asks me why did I put those colors together, or says, that is
>>>> an interesting mix of colors.  I've limited myself to solid colored
>>>> projects that incorporate texture.  I'm giving a serious look at the
>>>> various yarns that have very long lengths of color that make stripes
>>>> without the hassle of having to weave in the ends.  Another reason
>>>> why I run away from changing colors in a project.
>>>>
>>>> Annette
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfb-krafters-korner
>>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of River Woman
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 8:40 AM
>>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] OT dreams
>>>>
>>>> OMG, Joyce, you are a BIG DREAMER - who are you kidding?  I mean,
>>>> let's just expand the idea of what a dream is - you are a wide awake,
>>>> walking, living dreamer.
>>>>
>>>> I dream constantly - all I have to do is close my eyes, and in
>>>> moments I am off to places and situations. My dreams are always full
>>>> of DRAMA...never the kind of dreams that you want to close your eyes
>>>> and go back to sleep and try to resurrect.
>>>>
>>>> But, have any of you every been wrestling with a craft or art problem
>>>> you could not solve? And, then, in a dream, you see yourself doing it
>>>> and you wake up knowing exactly how to do something you never did
>>>> before? I sure have.  I have figured out knitting problems in m
>>>> sleep, and I even learned math concepts that I had a hard time with,
>>>> in my dream. (I learned how to do "slope" in algebra that way, when
>>>> my conscious mind could not "get it."
>>>> I dream for ideas - sometimes I wake up and write down things I am
>>>> seeing in my dreams - poems come that way to me at times.
>>>>
>>>> I think we have such a creative mind, all of us, that dreams are a
>>>> continuation of our creative self.
>>>>
>>>> Lynda
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>>>> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 7:05 AM
>>>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] OT dreams
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> When I first lost my sight 15 years ago I did not dream.  It took a
>>>>> bit more then 2 years before I started to dream once again.
>>>>>
>>>>> I felt, looking back,  that it must have been due to   concentrating 
>>>>> so
>>>>> much on minute to minute, day to day.  I couldn't think  about the
>>>>> future as I didn't have any idea what future I would have or how it
>>>>> would be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well dreams came and started with familiar thoughts and surroundings
>>>>> to begin with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then it seemed to be stuck when I worked in the hospital and
>>>>> doctor's office before I went in for my surgery and woke up blind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dreams and ideas are back from time to time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Henrietta, I will tell you this between the steroid medication,
>>>>> inhalers and occasional Advil, that leaves me wide open for some
>>>>> weird and funny dreams.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
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