[Nfb-krafters-korner] O.t. paying bills

Elizabeth Huffman masterspanishteacher2306 at gmail.com
Mon Jun 9 12:42:03 UTC 2014


The only thing I would add to Anette's post is to look into mobile
payments i you usse an Iphone.
I set up automatic payments, pay by phone or the company's website, or
pay via apps or a text message on my phone.

Hth,
Liz


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>    3. Re: OT  paying bills (David Andrews)
>    4. Chats and classes (Blindhands at aol.com)
>    5. Re: OT  paying bills (Shelbi Hindel)
>    6. Re: OT paying bills (minh ha)
>    7. Re: OT  paying bills (Annette Carr)
>    8. Re: OT paying bills (minh ha)
>    9. ATTN: Students and Teachers (slery)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 19:40:40 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Blindhands at aol.com
> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] report
> Message-ID: <8e41.4d436501.40c64e78 at aol.com>
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>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I was hoping to have better news the end of the week, but say some preyers
>
> for me.  I was suppose to go to the bone doc on Thursday that just p past
> and guess what I didn't get to go as the insurance would not pay for my
> transportation and they didn't find that out until the day i was suppose to
>
> go.
>
> I have an appointment on Monday 2 PM and my dear friend is driving  me.
> The PT folks here at the rehab center will be teaching me how to get  in and
>
> out of a car[my friend's car] using one foot.  The PT folks say I am  doing
>
> really well and it is totally up to the doc, but they are thinking I will
> be
> put into a walking cast with hopefully directions about putting weight on
> the  broken ankle.
>
> I worked out today hopping on one foot,  getting in and out of the
> wheelchair and a bed.  My challenge came when they took me over to the
> stairs.
> They told me what I needed to do and under my breath I said, yeh  right.  I
>
> was suppose to stand on one foot and hold on to the railings  which are
> going
> upward and like taller then my head and jump up and land on that
> stair[without putting any weight on my left foot.  So I stood there with my
> left foot
> bendt up like I was marching and wellllll
>
> When I jumped I put the left foot on the step and used both feet to  stand.
>
>  I told them I needed a big spring on that right foot or how about  one of
> those little bouncing trampolenes.  I tried it another time and then  once
> more.  I gave up and said forget that 4th step.  By this time I  had 2 PT
> people kinda helping me.  They told me it was easier going down  and all I
> could do is think, I got down 5 steps really fast and easy when I fell  at
> home.
>  When I got to the floor and didn't land on my a---.  I told  both the PT
> people that was very interesting and how I plan on getting into my  house at
>
> home will be sitting on my butt and go up backwards.  I might need  help to
>
> stand up once I am on my knees, but no more steps as they have  almost all
> my stuff moved down to the first floor.
>
> It took 5 guys to move the refrigerator from the third floor to the  first.
>
>  They started going down the back of the house, but got stuck and  could
> not make the turn.  So they had to bring it back up to the third  floor and
>
> thru the house to the front stairs.  At this point they did not  get stuck,
>
> but could not make the turn so they walked it thru the second floor  and
> then
> down the back stairs and into the first floor.  It took them 4  hours and
> basically they tossed out all my food that was frozen due to it  thawing
> out.
> They had to take the doors off the refrigerator.  I am  glad I wasn't
> there, as I tend to run back and forth giving my commments and get  worried
> about
> what a job it is.
>
> Now My friend and my son will go over to the house on Tuesday and bag up
> the few things that are left and hopefully get my clothes down out of the
> closets.  I have a feeling I may never find some of my things and hopefully
>
> they get my adaptive equipment down and in one place.
>
> I told them any of my crafting stuff to put in the spare bedroom.  I  did
> have crafting stuff in that room a little organized, but from what they have
>
> told me they basically opened the door and tossed crafty things into the
> room.  I don't know if they are kidding or not, but they told me it was
> getting hard to open and close the door in there by the time they  finished.
>  I
> had 3/4 bleaned out a closet that is a walk in closet that I  had planned on
>
> storing some of my crafting stuff and I had bought large plastic  bins, but
>
> that was before I fell.  I don't have a clue what might be in the  bins or
> if they even used them.  Oh well I will have the rest of my life  looking
> and sorting through this stuff.  They wanted to throw it out and  told me to
>
> go out and buy what I need, but  I will not have the money we  had before
> and
> will have to watch my money.
>
> Joyce
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 19:52:54 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Blindhands at aol.com
> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] OT  paying bills
> Message-ID: <91d4.5b873f2e.40c65156 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I am looking to learn how to keep track and pay my bills.  I know they  are
>
> doing paperless bills and have contacted my utilities.  I use JAWS and
> using the newest version of it.  I got the updated version of Open Book and
> I
> got a new printer with scanner and need to get those things hooked up and
> installed.  Is there any programs or ways that you can suggest and do you
> know if and where you might be able to get some training to do these
> thinghs.
>
> I took care of all our bills the first 25 years of our married lives and
> then went blind.  I told John he gets the next 25 years of handling the
> money.  Well I will be getting a lot less, but need to figure out how to
> hang
> on to the house.  In 4 years it will be paid for and then the mortgage  will
>
> be cut in half then what it is now as I will have the taxes to pay.
>
> Any suggestions regarding how you keep track and pay your bills would very
>
> much be appreciated.
>
> Joyce
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2014 19:00:07 -0500
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: Blindhands at aol.com,	List for blind crafters and artists
> 	<nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] OT  paying bills
> Message-ID: <auto-000157376060 at mailfront3.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> I use a human reader, to go through mail, then pay bills via my banks
> bill pay service.  With reader all I have to write down is name of
> payee, amount, and due date, so it doesn't take long.  And ... some
> of them will send e-bills, so don't even need reader.
>
> I wouldn't trust a scanner and ocr program with bills, a small error
> could have disasterous results.
>
> Dave
>
> At 06:52 PM 6/8/2014, you wrote:
>>I am looking to learn how to keep track and pay my bills.  I know they
>> are
>>doing paperless bills and have contacted my utilities.  I use JAWS and
>>using the newest version of it.  I got the updated version of Open
>>Book and  I
>>got a new printer with scanner and need to get those things hooked up and
>>installed.  Is there any programs or ways that you can suggest and do you
>>know if and where you might be able to get some training to do these
>> thinghs.
>>
>>I took care of all our bills the first 25 years of our married lives and
>>then went blind.  I told John he gets the next 25 years of handling the
>>money.  Well I will be getting a lot less, but need to figure out
>>how to  hang
>>on to the house.  In 4 years it will be paid for and then the mortgage
>> will
>>be cut in half then what it is now as I will have the taxes to pay.
>>
>>Any suggestions regarding how you keep track and pay your bills would very
>>much be appreciated.
>>
>>Joyce
>
>          David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 20:33:15 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Blindhands at aol.com
> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Chats and classes
> Message-ID: <751e5.65c236fe.40c65ad3 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> We are always looking for new classes and even repeat of old classes.   I
> know summer is a busy time for folks going out doors  and sitting outside
> longer in the evening.  So I am looking for some interesting maybe short
> classes 1 or 2 nights and making things
>
> Chats of interest are always in need of, too.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 21:00:47 -0400
> From: "Shelbi Hindel" <shelbiah1 at gmail.com>
> To: "'David Andrews'" <dandrews at visi.com>,	"'List for blind crafters
> 	and artists'" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] OT  paying bills
> Message-ID: <003001cf837e$40b44e30$c21cea90$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> I sometimes call in and get my amount and due date from an automated
> system.
> Here in Columbus the utilities are all set up for this. Then I pay through
> online banking as it does not charge and the phone version that most have
> as
> an option does charge a fee.
> Shelbi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-krafters-korner [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of David Andrews via Nfb-krafters-korner
> Sent: June 8, 2014 8:00 PM
> To: Blindhands at aol.com; List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] OT paying bills
>
> I use a human reader, to go through mail, then pay bills via my banks bill
> pay service.  With reader all I have to write down is name of payee,
> amount,
> and due date, so it doesn't take long.  And ... some of them will send
> e-bills, so don't even need reader.
>
> I wouldn't trust a scanner and ocr program with bills, a small error could
> have disasterous results.
>
> Dave
>
> At 06:52 PM 6/8/2014, you wrote:
>>I am looking to learn how to keep track and pay my bills.  I know they
>>are doing paperless bills and have contacted my utilities.  I use JAWS
>>and using the newest version of it.  I got the updated version of Open
>>Book and  I got a new printer with scanner and need to get those things
>>hooked up and installed.  Is there any programs or ways that you can
>>suggest and do you know if and where you might be able to get some
>>training to do these  thinghs.
>>
>>I took care of all our bills the first 25 years of our married lives
>>and then went blind.  I told John he gets the next 25 years of handling
>>the money.  Well I will be getting a lot less, but need to figure out
>>how to  hang on to the house.  In 4 years it will be paid for and then
>>the mortgage  will be cut in half then what it is now as I will have
>>the taxes to pay.
>>
>>Any suggestions regarding how you keep track and pay your bills would
>>very much be appreciated.
>>
>>Joyce
>
>          David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 21:13:17 -0400
> From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
> To: Shelbi Hindel <shelbiah1 at gmail.com>, 	List for blind crafters and
> 	artists <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] OT paying bills
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hi Joyce,
>
> I still live at home with my mom when I'm not at school so I'm sure I
> don't have as many bills as you do, but for the ones that I do have, I
> never get a paper bill. A lot of services now have an option for you
> to get your bill through eail. You could also just call into the
> company and get your amount through an automated system and pay
> through the phone with your bank account or credit card or whatever.
> This is how I usually pay my bills. Another option you could look into
> is automatic withdrawal, which is basically you authorizing a service
> to take money from your bank account automatically every month at a
> certain time. If you don't already have an online account with your
> bank, you should definitely do this. I keep track of all my accounts
> this way so I'm sure where my money is going and ho wmuch. Hope this
> helps!
>
> Minh
>
> On 6/8/14, Shelbi Hindel via Nfb-krafters-korner
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I sometimes call in and get my amount and due date from an automated
>> system.
>> Here in Columbus the utilities are all set up for this. Then I pay
>> through
>> online banking as it does not charge and the phone version that most have
>> as
>> an option does charge a fee.
>> Shelbi
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfb-krafters-korner [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of David Andrews via Nfb-krafters-korner
>> Sent: June 8, 2014 8:00 PM
>> To: Blindhands at aol.com; List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] OT paying bills
>>
>> I use a human reader, to go through mail, then pay bills via my banks
>> bill
>> pay service.  With reader all I have to write down is name of payee,
>> amount,
>> and due date, so it doesn't take long.  And ... some of them will send
>> e-bills, so don't even need reader.
>>
>> I wouldn't trust a scanner and ocr program with bills, a small error
>> could
>> have disasterous results.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 06:52 PM 6/8/2014, you wrote:
>>>I am looking to learn how to keep track and pay my bills.  I know they
>>>are doing paperless bills and have contacted my utilities.  I use JAWS
>>>and using the newest version of it.  I got the updated version of Open
>>>Book and  I got a new printer with scanner and need to get those things
>>>hooked up and installed.  Is there any programs or ways that you can
>>>suggest and do you know if and where you might be able to get some
>>>training to do these  thinghs.
>>>
>>>I took care of all our bills the first 25 years of our married lives
>>>and then went blind.  I told John he gets the next 25 years of handling
>>>the money.  Well I will be getting a lot less, but need to figure out
>>>how to  hang on to the house.  In 4 years it will be paid for and then
>>>the mortgage  will be cut in half then what it is now as I will have
>>>the taxes to pay.
>>>
>>>Any suggestions regarding how you keep track and pay your bills would
>>>very much be appreciated.
>>>
>>>Joyce
>>
>>          David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
>> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2014 22:11:01 -0400
> From: "Annette Carr" <amcarr1 at verizon.net>
> To: <Blindhands at aol.com>,	"'List for blind crafters and artists'"
> 	<nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] OT  paying bills
> Message-ID: <003c01cf8388$0fd8c890$2f8a59b0$@verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Joyce,
>
> I have a human reader who comes to my house every 2-4 weeks depending on
> our
> schedules.  It usually takes us 2-3 hours to go through all of the mail
> that
> has piled up and pay bills.  The payment part might include filling out
> forms, writing checks, credit card payment.  She also helps me file
> everything.  Once a year we clean out the files, or at least we try to keep
> to that schedule, but it is more like every 2 years.
>
> I use the Outlook calendar and notes, Word and Excel to keep track of bills
> paid, things to do, notes about an issue, etc.  I am not comfortable
> relying
> on a scanner to read my bills as it is not 100% accurate.  I am receiving
> more bills electronically, but I am not comfortable paying bills via the
> computer.
>
> Annette
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-krafters-korner [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Joyce Kane via Nfb-krafters-korner
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 7:53 PM
> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] OT paying bills
>
> I am looking to learn how to keep track and pay my bills.  I know they  are
> doing paperless bills and have contacted my utilities.  I use JAWS and
> using
> the newest version of it.  I got the updated version of Open Book and  I
> got
> a new printer with scanner and need to get those things hooked up and
> installed.  Is there any programs or ways that you can suggest and do you
> know if and where you might be able to get some training to do these
> thinghs.
>
> I took care of all our bills the first 25 years of our married lives and
> then went blind.  I told John he gets the next 25 years of handling the
> money.  Well I will be getting a lot less, but need to figure out how to
> hang on to the house.  In 4 years it will be paid for and then the mortgage
> will be cut in half then what it is now as I will have the taxes to pay.
>
> Any suggestions regarding how you keep track and pay your bills would very
> much be appreciated.
>
> Joyce
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 22:21:56 -0400
> From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
> To: Annette Carr <amcarr1 at verizon.net>, 	List for blind crafters and
> 	artists <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] OT paying bills
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> A question for those of you that use human readers for stuff, where do
> you find them and how do you pay for their services?
>
> Minh
>
> On 6/8/14, Annette Carr via Nfb-krafters-korner
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Joyce,
>>
>> I have a human reader who comes to my house every 2-4 weeks depending on
>> our
>> schedules.  It usually takes us 2-3 hours to go through all of the mail
>> that
>> has piled up and pay bills.  The payment part might include filling out
>> forms, writing checks, credit card payment.  She also helps me file
>> everything.  Once a year we clean out the files, or at least we try to
>> keep
>> to that schedule, but it is more like every 2 years.
>>
>> I use the Outlook calendar and notes, Word and Excel to keep track of
>> bills
>> paid, things to do, notes about an issue, etc.  I am not comfortable
>> relying
>> on a scanner to read my bills as it is not 100% accurate.  I am receiving
>> more bills electronically, but I am not comfortable paying bills via the
>> computer.
>>
>> Annette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfb-krafters-korner [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Joyce Kane via Nfb-krafters-korner
>> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 7:53 PM
>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] OT paying bills
>>
>> I am looking to learn how to keep track and pay my bills.  I know they
>> are
>> doing paperless bills and have contacted my utilities.  I use JAWS and
>> using
>> the newest version of it.  I got the updated version of Open Book and  I
>> got
>> a new printer with scanner and need to get those things hooked up and
>> installed.  Is there any programs or ways that you can suggest and do you
>> know if and where you might be able to get some training to do these
>> thinghs.
>>
>> I took care of all our bills the first 25 years of our married lives and
>> then went blind.  I told John he gets the next 25 years of handling the
>> money.  Well I will be getting a lot less, but need to figure out how to
>> hang on to the house.  In 4 years it will be paid for and then the
>> mortgage
>> will be cut in half then what it is now as I will have the taxes to pay.
>>
>> Any suggestions regarding how you keep track and pay your bills would
>> very
>> much be appreciated.
>>
>> Joyce
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 01:13:03 -0400
> From: "slery" <slerythema at gmail.com>
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