[Nfb-krafters-korner] two Ot'S
Courtney Fulghum Smith
cmfulghum at gmail.com
Tue Oct 27 03:45:20 UTC 2015
Lauren,
Have you thought about what God wants for you? In your responses you have talked about what you want with no mention about praying about the situation. Maybe God is speaking thru your pastor.
Consider taking a step back, pray for God's guidance & do not pressure the pastor or music director about singing.
I understand your frustration & those of us on the group who attend church have probably been in a similar situation in their church. Keep in mind that you are not the only person who has suffered this type of situation & after we are all gone from this world, people will still be suffering from this situation.
Remember, there are MANY different ways to serve God.
Courtney
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> On Oct 26, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Lauren Merryfield via Nfb-krafters-korner <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Linda B's posts sounded rude to me. I believe God gave me the musical ability I have and I am not at all interested in "performing," as she says. I wanted to share what was given to me with my congregation to glorify Jesus, who gave me the song I wanted to share. The pastor said no without hearing my song. He said no about my singing with the Praise Singers "because of complications," as he put it. (There are steps up to the platform and they probably think they smell liability issues if I fell; assuming I would fall). They seem only comfortable with me attending services and worshiping from the pew. They would rather see me healed from blindness. They this and they that; nothing about my wishes and/or abilities, which are God-given.
>
> This is all in contrast to a nonChristian church who was big on including me. There is not one of those near me now. I would rather be in A Christian church, but I want to be accepted on equal terms. Wanting to be accepted fully on equal terms is not lacking in humility, "performing" or causing "strife" or appearing "less professional," for needing a chair etc.
>
> The NFB is all about living on terms of equality and making adjustments or accommodations if necessary for one to, as we say now, "live the life we want."
> That's the end of my comments.
> Thanks,
> Lauren, who is also praying a lot about this
> And appreciating her cats, who don't get into this
> Blessings in Jesus’ name:
> My digital evangelism blog is at:
> www dot ask in jesus name dot org (you need to retype it)
> Psalm 34:1-2 I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth. My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.
> Advice from my cats:”meow when you feel like it.”
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-krafters-korner [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha via Nfb-krafters-korner
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 8:13 AM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] two Ot'S
>
> Well, since you did take the thread further, I was simply telling Lauren that if she wants to sing in a church choir, and her church is not giving her that opportunity, then she should speak to someone about her feelings or find another church. I don't see how that is creating strife. Maybe singing is not your way of worshiping God, but it is mine, and it is for other people as well, so please don't discount different ways of worshiping just because it's not yours.
>
> Thanks,
> Minh
>
>> On 10/26/15, linda blasingim via Nfb-krafters-korner <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> It is time for me to bowe out of this one. However, I must say
>> this...I did not read where the church did not want yout oworship. Do
>> you know if other members have been rejected? We need to enter
>> worship with humility, not strife. Church is a place to worship God,
>> not to perform. If you want to perform, then, find or start a
>> community chorus. There is enough strife in churches now, do not
>> bring in additional. Please don't take this any further.
>> Linda B
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfb-krafters-korner
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>> via Nfb-krafters-korner
>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 6:10 AM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Cc: minh ha
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] two Ot'S
>>
>> Lauren,
>>
>> I personally think the underlying message that your church is sending
>> you is an extremely negative one that I would not tolerate under any circumstances.
>> I go to church in order to worship God, and for any puny human being
>> to judge me according to their narrow view of the world, and say that
>> I am unfit to worship because of a disability is not even
>> discriminatory, but very hateful. I sing in a church choir at my
>> college (I go to a Jesuit
>> university) and the Liturgy director make it a point to provide
>> electronic copies of all of the songs to me ahead of time so I can put
>> them on my braille note. Since our choir consists of about 100
>> students, our rehearsals are broken up into the different sections so
>> it's pretty easy for me to learn my soprano part along with everyone
>> else. There have also been students with problems standing in my choir
>> and their needs have been accommodated without any talk of how they
>> look "unprofessional" or how they might be too big of a burden to
>> accommodate. I really do hope you speak to someone about all your
>> feelings or start looking for a different church because singing is a
>> huge part of how I worship and I can't imagine someone denying me the opportunity to do so.
>>
>> Minh
>>
>> On 10/26/15, Lauren Merryfield via Nfb-krafters-korner
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I like some of the people; I like their music and sermons. Bkut some
>>> of them can be negative, from my PURRspective.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lauren
>>>
>>> Blessings in Jesus’ name:
>>> My digital evangelism blog is at:
>>> www dot ask in jesus name dot org (you need to retype it) Psalm
>>> 34:1-2 I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall
>>> continually be in my mouth. My soul shall make her boast in the Lord:
>>> the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.
>>> Advice from my cats:”meow when you feel like it.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfb-krafters-korner
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> ncbootman--- via Nfb-krafters-korner
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 9:44 PM
>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: ncbootman at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] two Ot'S
>>>
>>> Why do you go to this church and hang out with these negative people?
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lauren Merryfield via Nfb-krafters-korner
>>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 12:31 AM
>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>>> Cc: Lauren Merryfield
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] two Ot'S
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Oh yeah, I knew that, but forgot. Maybe she could help, although they
>>> don't really like listening to women, either, because nearly
>>> everything except food and cleanup is done by the men.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lauren, who is getting PURRturbed, an understanding, as she does over
>>> and over, how wonderful her cats are!
>>>
>>> Blessings in Jesus’ name:
>>> My digital evangelism blog is at:
>>> www dot ask in jesus name dot org (you need to retype it) Psalm
>>> 34:1-2 I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall
>>> continually be in my mouth. My soul shall make her boast in the Lord:
>>> the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.
>>> Advice from my cats:”meow when you feel like it.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfb-krafters-korner
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joyce
>>> Kane via Nfb-krafters-korner
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 8:47 PM
>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: blindhands at aol.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] two Ot'S
>>>
>>> We have one of our board members here that has written a book I
>>> believe involving disabilities ministries. She is our First Vice
>>> Presiden and is a minister. You can meet her at our Monday Night
>>> chats as she usually runs
>>> them I don't think she will be at this Monday's Chat as we have Cathy
>>> hosting the chat with our Guest Author Sara Mallery.
>>>
>>>
>>> Theresa I hope I said this correctly about your book that is coming out.
>>> Joyce
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfb-krafters-korner
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michelle
>>> Clark via Nfb-krafters-korner
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:48 PM
>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Michelle Clark <mcikeyc at aol.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] two Ot'S
>>>
>>> I understand the music thing. Churches can often lean only on the
>>> "chosen few". Pray about your desires and future there. I'm thinking
>>> they do not have a Disibility Ministry either. Write me off line at
>>> mcikeyc at aol.com because I am on my way to a rant.
>>>
>>> Michelle
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfb-krafters-korner
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lauren
>>> Merryfield via Nfb-krafters-korner
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:18 PM
>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>>> Cc: Lauren Merryfield
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] two Ot'S
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> How do you get your church people in charge to let you sing with them?
>>> I have been able to talk every other church into it until my current
>>> one. They have a professional-sounding band and worship song leader.
>>> I asked to sing and I had to audition; a first. I passed the
>>> audition. I went to a couple rehearsals but the pastor felt like
>>> there might be too many complications for me to sing with them. Part
>>> of that is that I have foot issues and cannot stand for long. My
>>> solution would be something as ordinary as a chair behind me. But
>>> they consider that kind of thing a "complication."
>>>
>>> Now, I've written a song (I've done that since childhood) well, not
>>> written; composed. I asked if I could teach it to the band and praise
>>> singers and the pastor said I could ask our worship leader but I
>>> probably would not be able to. It was like he was deciding before
>>> ever hearing it, that it would be no.
>>>
>>> They always say "we have someone else who does that already" or "we
>>> have that taken care of" or other ways of saying "we don't need you;
>>> stay in the pew and that's okay but don't ask to do anything." Kind
>>> of thing.
>>>
>>> I know this is considered by some to be O T but I have the same issue
>>> with crafts. So many sighted people don't even want to try to teach
>>> me how to make things since I am totally blind since birth. That's
>>> why I'm glad we have this division and list. They don't believe I can
>>> do something until they see it; like "seeing is believing" is it.
>>> Then when I do something like crocheting, they act like it's so
>>> amazing. Well, it isn't.
>>>
>>> Music is a craft, so I don't consider it off topic. I'm about ready
>>> to put the president of the Communities of Faith, Tom Anderson, in
>>> touch with my church. I don't want to ruffle feathers (not too much
>>> anyway) or ruin my stay there, but I've been there a year-and-a-half
>>> and they only want me to worship with them, from my pew. Well, they'd
>>> like me to tithe, too, of course.
>>>
>>> I really like my church but I feel like I'm being pushed against a
>>> brick wall.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lauren
>>>
>>> Blessings in Jesus’ name:
>>> My digital evangelism blog is at:
>>> www dot ask in jesus name dot org (you need to retype it) Psalm
>>> 34:1-2 I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall
>>> continually be in my mouth. My soul shall make her boast in the Lord:
>>> the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.
>>> Advice from my cats:”meow when you feel like it.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfb-krafters-korner
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra
>>> Streeter via Nfb-krafters-korner
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 5:33 PM
>>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Sandra Streeter <sandrastreeter381 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] two Ot'S
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone!
>>>
>>> Before going further, want to suggest that, if anyone's interested in
>>> the items in my post, they can feel free to email me privately, since
>>> they’re a bit OT, and I don’t want to clutter the list more than I
>>> already am!
>>>
>>> First: So sorry, Barb, about your cancellation—that must be
>>> deflating, though you seem to be handling things well. Hope you get
>>> the go-ahead soon—we’re all pullin’ for you.
>>>
>>> Also: Musically, my main focus has been voice: choirs since 2nd
>>> grade, church worship teams from my 20s, now really striving to
>>> overcome vocal shyness about doing solos: I’m due for one next Sun.,
>>> so if you’re a praying person, have at it! I am not a Braille music
>>> reader—tried it when I was small, didn’t find it was my thing—so,
>>> since my advanced choral work has required making notes in my score
>>> to remind me of different scenarios as they’re about to arise, I
>>> devised a tactile marking system. I took a little piano growing up,
>>> but don’t have a suitable keyboard I’d be motivated to practice on.
>>> Recently, I was GIVEN a flute by a friend who can no longer use
>>> it—but found myself, after some research, to be a small-handed girl,
>>> so eventually will have to invest in some key extensions,
>>> probably—since I’ve always wanted to learn flute, since my teen-aged
>>> days as a fan of the Moody Blues. I did invest in Bill Brown’s flute
>>> by ear course, so hope once I get key extensions, to pursue that
>>> further. Anyone know where I can get those affordably, and about how much I can expect to pay?
>>>
>>> Also, if anyone knows how to make it so you can listen to radio
>>> stations online and still do other things on the computer that
>>> require JAWS, please email me—classic rock around here is pretty
>>> dull, but I know of a station in Boston that is just as good as in
>>> the 80s, when I studied up at Gordon College... Ideally, I want to
>>> have the radio at a lower volume so I can still hear whatever I’m
>>> word processing or reading with OpenBook.
>>>
>>> And to the one item not OT: is WoolEase sort-of-cashmere-like, in texture?
>>> For winter projects, I love that texture!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sandra
>>> “To love another person is to see the face of God.”
>>> (Les Miserables--the musical)
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