[Nfb-krafters-korner] comments on survey matter

Thu Feb 18 16:28:33 UTC 2016

Annette,
This was were well spoken and written. I personally appreciate all your
thoughts and ideas and suggestions. This is all I hoped for to have
responses like this to get people thinking and doing and sharing. I do not
know if anything will change here. I like your idea of the For Sale day,
which I did not think of. All your suggestions were good ones, and hope
everyone will take them into consideration.
Terry K

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From: Nfb-krafters-korner [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Annette Carr via Nfb-krafters-korner
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 8:32 AM
To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
Cc: Annette Carr
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] comments on survey matter

Hi All,

I've been tossing Terry K's proposed concept around in my head for a couple
of days now.  I think it is an interesting one and has potential, but I'm
not sure that it completely fits into Krafters Korner.  Please hear me out.
I am not trying to start a battle over this.

I agree that you can have good and bad experiences no matter if you are
paying for a class or whether it is free.  If you want something bad enough
you will utilize any and all resources that come your way.  You will take
the good from those experiences and use them for your own personal growth.  

My impression of Krafters Korner is to promote the message that sight loss
does not have to prevent you from doing or learning how to do a craft.  That
the self-confidence and pride that comes from making something from your
hands can be ours if we want it.

Over the years of being a member of our Krafter's Korner family I've seen us
expand to supporting our members to be an advocate for themselves when
accessing resources in their community.  As a natural progression we have
also occasionally supported educating vendors and teachers from outside of
Krafter's Korner in how to teach students with visual impairments.  I think
this is all good and that we should continue to find ways to do this.  

With all of that said, I personally do not think that hosting a class at
Krafter's Korner for a fee other than the cost of purchasing supplies fits
into our structure.  I am not saying that we should not find ways to
encourage teachers from outside Krafter's Korner to be willing to welcome
students who are blind into their classes.  However, I do not think that
Krafter's Korner should host the class where students need to pay a tuition
to take the class is the best way to accomplish this.  

I understand that in the situation that Terry K has put before us is one in
which the teacher makes a living from the classes she teaches.  If this
instructor is using this opportunity to see how remote teaching works out
for her style of teaching, or if she wants to see how successful she will be
with teaching students who are visually impaired, then this is a learning
experience for her and I'm not sure that students should have to pay her to
learn.  If she has previously taught remote classes successfully and/or has
experience teaching students who are blind, then I think it is perfectly
fine for Krafter's Korner to post information about her classes on the
Krafter's Korner list on the 1st and 15th of the month.  Interested students
would contact the instructor and all transactions would be conducted off of
the Krafter's Korner list.

So how can Krafter's Korner promote full inclusion into activities outside
of Krafter's Korner, well here are some of my ideas for us to ponder.

.         Get involved with activities at our local yarn shops.  Privately
owned shops might offer more opportunities for this.

.         Look for crafting events in local area to participate in.

.         Take a local paid class where you know how to do many of the
skills being taught in the class, and you will only need to learn 1 or 2 new
things.  Yes, we should not have to spend our money this way, but on the
other hand, you will find very few paid classes where everything taught in
the class will be new to you.

.         Teach a craft at local NFB Chapter meetings to promote Krafters
Korner, and to expand the number of crafter's with visual impairments in
your local area.

.         Look for crafting meet-ups in your local area.  These allow an
opportunity for you to perform your craft without putting others in the
unfamiliar position of not knowing how to teach someone who is visually
impaired how to do something, or have to learn something from someone who is
visually impaired.  It is an equal level playing ground with no expectations
on either side.

I am well aware that none of these ideas are the ideal opportunity for each
of us to take on, nor are they all the ideal solution for your local
community.  Just as we all come to Krafter's Korner with our own
personalized set of luggage, our local community and the people in it has
their own personalized luggage as well.  Change does not occur globally all
at once, but rather one person at a time.  

Hope I have not offended anyone, as that has not been the intent of this
message.

Annette

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From: Nfb-krafters-korner [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joyce Kane via Nfb-krafters-korner
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:15 PM
To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
Cc: blindhands at aol.com
Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] comments on survey matter

I have paid for classes to learn all types of crafting, sewing, quilting,

etc. classes as I wanted to learn and I feel that what I have learned
whether

I used it for my own knowledge and know how or for learning a basic and

going out and expanding and creating something unique and then promoting my

items and going out and selling them.  I traveled all over taking classes

when I could drive.  Even after I went blind and wanted to learn more about

antique sock machines, I was bold enough to hitch a ride from this person up

to a Seminar in New Hampshire and I raised a few eye brows as this person's

name was George and a ride was offered to me and I did kinda had a sigh of

reliev  when I got the phone call the night before she would be driving thru

CT from VA and I did find out she was a woman.  I brought my Seeing Eye dog

and met a lot of folks with their sock machines and they took a look at the

one I had gotten and we all got it to work, too.  John definitely thought I

was a bit looney going all the way to NH and staying over night 2 days to

learn not only if my sock machine worked, but to learn how to make it work.

So it is worth a lot to me to share crafting skills  and you can't put a

dollar sign on what you learn and what you do with that knowledge.  If you

take classes here with the only thought of if I can make it and sell it for

a profit.  You are missing an awful lot.

Many of the classes here that I have taught are from classes I took going

back a long time or are craft skills I have researched and learned how to do

it as a blind person and basically challenged  myself to learn something new

and then teach it to you.  I had never done baskets before, I never did loom

knitting or beading, soap, candles, body lotion, cutting out quilts with an

Accuquilt, hand quilting teaching myself how to sew on a machine without

sight and in the last 19 years purchased 3 new sewing machines and figured

out how to use them 

I worry if you all keep on taking and not giving back here Krafters Korner

might not carry on and be a place to share and encourage and show other

blind folks how to...

Joyce

Aaaaaaaa

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