[Nfb-krafters-korner] classes & membership

Mon Jul 4 18:15:10 UTC 2016

This was very well-spoken and rational. I can sure understand why the 
group doesn't want to hassle with legal issues, and I appreciate the 
time you took to explain the situation with clarity and calm.

If I can help in any way, my craft skills are minimal, but my computer 
skills are not. I am a tech by profession and I can edit audio, tag 
files and do other maintenance tasks. I also certainly will email the 
teachers directly when/if I want a repeat class.

One solution with patterns is to use a pattern that is already free, say 
one from Lion Brand that's already in an accessible format so there are 
no copyright issues. Or, a pattern from a book that's available from 
BARD or bookshare in audio where everyone can download it would also 
avoid that issue.

One problem I have with patterns is that sighted people can see pics of 
the finished product. I have trouble imagining the finished product. So 
one idea for a chat or a class is for someone more experienced to just 
chat about patterns from popular books which they tried and what the 
results looked like. The person could explain the abreviations in the 
patterns and talk about the finished product, what it looked like, and 
for them what worked and what did not.

I sure understand the volunteer commitment involved; I'm a leader in our 
golden retriever rescue organization for northern California, and the 
work is time-consuming but rewarding. When members bat around ideas 
about how we can get more dogs for our adopters, I am fully aware of all 
the extra volunteer hours those ideas will entail!

On 7/4/2016 9:47 AM, Annette Carr via Nfb-krafters-korner wrote:
> There have been many discussions in the past of saving and redistributing past classes.  However, there are many issues that prevent us from being able to do this.  That does not mean that we can't come up with a way to offer something, so read to the end and see what you think.
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> When a teacher prepares to teach a class, she/he might be using a copyrighted pattern and should have obtained permission from the pattern owner to use that pattern for that one class.  It would be an infringement of copyright to redistribute that class.
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> If the teacher developed the instructional material, then that material belongs to that teacher and redistributing it would be an infringement of the copyright of their intellectual property.
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> When a class is being taught and the teacher announces that the class will be recorded, and students elect to remain on the call or do not verbally object to the recording, then they have granted permission to be recorded for the purpose of that class.  The recording is for the personal use of the participants and we do not obtain any additional permission.  If we wanted to redistribute that class, we would have to have permission from every participant to share the recording.  The bottom line is that we really do not want to have to manage this legal ball of wax.
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> So with all of that said, I do believe that there is a way to offer some classes via pre-recorded telephone and/or e-mail classes.  A class or lesson could be recorded with just the teacher or with 1 or 2 students.  This would have to be a very controlled situation to ensure very clear instructions as well as high audio quality.  The e-mail classes would have to have a proven record and would have to include very detailed instructions broke up into manageable segments.
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> With either of these options it will take a lot of volunteer hours to plan the class.  The phone/audio  class  would need to be recorded, and re-recorded if need be.  The audio files as well as the electronic files for the e-mail classes will need to be stored, backed up  and managed.  Then there is the management of getting the class info to the member when they want to take the class, or maybe the class would be put into the class line-up on a regularly occurring scheduling, but it will still need to be managed.
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> So while this all sounds good, if we don't have the man-power to accomplish it we will not succeed.  A lot of volunteer hours already go into what we already have going.  If there are people with the skills, talents and time to do this, then it is worth looking into.  We have had a lot of new and great ideas tossed around lately, so the board and the membership will have to pick and choose which tasks are reasonable for us to accomplish now and which ones can be taken on in the future.
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> As we look to building our future, I would like to explain how continuing to require students to sign up for classes and for teacher to take attendance helps us.  The NFB Crafters Division is really a leader in our outreach efforts.  As we continue to grow our membership and expand what our division has to offer, we will need statistics to show what we have accomplished.  Knowing how many students have participated in our classes speaks volumes as we promote who we are and what we have to offer.  Looking at our past data will help us predict where we are going in the future.  If we want to reach out to more and more people to let them know that blindness does not have to prevent them from expressing their creativity, then by default we are going to grow.  With growth come change and structure.  If you are cooking dinner for 2 people, you can probably give it little thought and have it on the table in minutes.  If you are going to cook dinner for 30 people, then you are going to have to do some planning, and you are going to want to know who is actually coming to dinner.
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> Ok, I think I am done and had better step down off of my soap box.  I have not posted any of this to start a battle, but rather as food for thought.
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> Annette
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes & membership
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> As a new member, I'd like to see recordings of past phone classes, especially the beginner ones, because it would keep teachers from having to repeat elementary stuff. Loom knitting would be a good example.
> Looking through the archives, I saw some discussion of a members area, so presumably, you used to post recordings there.
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> --Debee
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> On 7/3/2016 9:29 PM, Courtney Fulghum Smith via Nfb-krafters-korner wrote:
>>> Im a little bummed that members can't access patterns for past
>>> classes. I may see a previous class & want to take it & be the only
>>> one interested & then may have to wait several months or even years
>>> before that class is ever taught again.
>> Maybe we can get this changed soon for paying members. Now, that just
>> gave me another idea.….….…
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>> Courtney
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