[Nfb-krafters-korner] I'm home!

Henry Osborne hosbornejr at gmail.com
Wed Nov 23 14:21:35 UTC 2016


Good Morning Nella, I would think that some if not all cruise lines have 
relief areas for guide dogs or other service animals.

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From: Annette Carr via Nfb-krafters-korner
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Nela,

The per night cost of a cruise is usually between $125 - $300 and up per 
night per person.  The numbers of nights on board start at 2 and go up from 
there.  Now, that does include food, but not taxes, fees, travel insurance, 
ground transportation, gratuities , and obtaining a passport if you do not 
already have one (unless it is a cruise that stays within the United States 
boundaries, but these are limited and are usually smaller ships).  There are 
deals to be had for significantly less money, but they are usually for last 
minutes bookings and for less desirable room accommodations.  I have no idea 
how the cost for conference space compares to those at a hotel or conference 
center, but given the limited cruise ships that could handle a convention 
the size of the National NFB, that I shudder to imagine.

I do know that some people have taken a cruise via their own arrangements 
either before or after the National Convention since they were already in 
Florida.  Keep in mind that summer and during the December holidays are the 
most expensive time to go on a cruise.

Now do not think that I do not like cruises, because I think they are one of 
the best options for vacation, especially for families and groups who have a 
wide range of preferences for leisure activities, as well as a great option 
for allowing independent mobility for people with low or no vision.

Annette

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One of my friends thinks that the NFB should have the national convention on 
a cruise line.

The ships are huge and could probably hold everyone and have room for all 
the events.  I'm not sure how they would manage so many guide dogs on the 
ship.

It would be an interesting time.

Nella

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Terry P,

Sometimes there are some really good deals on cruises out of Baltimore, plus 
for you, you would only have to deal with the cost of ground transportation, 
and not airfare and ground transportation.  The Port in New Jersey has deals 
as well.  Although the trip there would be a bit longer for you, there are 
sometimes buses that pick up in the Washington Metro area and go directly to 
the port.

Annette


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I enjoyed it, because I had never been on a large ship.  Sounds like a 
little town on the water!
That’s one adventure I will never get to enjoy, unless I win the lottery!!!
Her chance to make jewelry, was also interesting!
Her friend was using a walker, so its nice to know, a ship can accomidate 
most handicaps.

Terry P.


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Other people on the call had also taken cruises. So it was fun. Hope you got 
some sleep. N'll need your energy to eat on Thanksgiving! LOL!
Ramona

On Nov 22, 2016 4:55 AM, Annette Carr via Nfb-krafters-korner 
<nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Ramona,
>
> Sorry I missed the call.  At 8:35 I started looking for the dial-in info, 
> and realized that I was just too tired to join.
>
> Annette
>
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> walhoframona--- via Nfb-krafters-korner
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:32 PM
> To: Susan Stanzel via Nfb-krafters-korner
> Cc: walhoframona at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] I'm home!
>
> Susie, we are on the call now.
> Ramona
>
> On Nov 21, 2016 6:08 PM, Susan Stanzel via Nfb-krafters-korner 
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I thought the call was for 8:30 EST.
> >
> > Do we have a new number?
> >
> > Susie Stanzel
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> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] I'm home!
> >
> > Apparently, I missed discussion about problems with the number. So I am 
> > waiting to hear from Theresa or Joyce.
> > Ramona
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2016 8:51 AM, Susan Stanzel via Nfb-krafters-korner 
> > <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Ramona,
> > >
> > > I would like to join the call. What is the phone number?
> > >
> > > Susie Stanzel
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> > > From: Nfb-krafters-korner
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> > > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:22 AM
> > > To: Theresa Taylor via Nfb-krafters-korner
> > > Cc: walhoframona at gmail.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] I'm home!
> > >
> > > Theresa, tonight can work. 8:30 eastern time?
> > > Ramona
> > >
> > > On Nov 21, 2016 4:00 AM, Theresa Taylor via Nfb-krafters-korner 
> > > <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >   What a beautiful wonderful trip… I know it is last-minute… But
> > > >there  is an opening tonight… Otherwise email me with a date that
> > > >works for  you… Starting January… Blessings Teresa
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Nov 21, 2016, at 12:19 AM, Annely Rose via Nfb-krafters-korner 
> > > > > <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Count me in!!  I would love to hear about it, too.  Sounds
> > > > > like it was an awesome cruise.
> > > > >
> > > > > Annely
> > > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > > On Sun, 11/20/16, Nella Foster via Nfb-krafters-korner 
> > > > > <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> > > > > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] I'm home!
> > > > > To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
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> > > > > Cc: "Nella Foster" <jellybeanfarm at gmail.com>
> > > > > Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016, 11:51 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ramona I
> > > > > don't know about everyone else, but I would love to hear about
> > > > > your trip.  It might be a very nice chat for these winter 
> > > > > evenings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nella
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> > > > > Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] I'm home!
> > > > >
> > > > > I am back from my
> > > > > dream-of-a-lifetime cruise through the Panama Canal. I won't
> > > > > report on much, but there were some very interesting things in
> > > > > crafting that I thought this group might like to know about.
> > > > > There was a meeting scheduled on sea days each morning for
> > > > > knitters and crafters, and I met about fifteen women, many
> > > > > very versatile and all using different techniques. Since they
> > > > > came from Canada, Britain, Australia and more, that is not
> > > > > surprising. I learned about cast on methods I had never heard of 
> > > > > before.
> > > > >
> > > > > There was also a box-making
> > > > > class—origami of course, and the next day we decorated the
> > > > > lids to the boxes. Again, I met interesting people.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then we took a jewelry-making
> > > > > tour in Cartagena Columbia where they used emeralds directly
> > > > > from a local mine. We were instructed by students at the
> > > > > school and made earings, pendants, rings, and bracelets. Not
> > > > > polished emeralds, but very beautiful. I got a picture of
> > > > > myself operating the machine that presses bars of heated
> > > > > silver into smaller and longer bars until they are wires about 
> > > > > fifteen feet long.
> > > > >
> > > > > In
> > > > > Costa Rico I found a pair of earings made of palm leaves and
> > > > > saw the tools they use for carding wool. We saw plants whose
> > > > > leaves are used for making rubs and other medicines, ate
> > > > > cactus, watched tortilla-making and on and on. And that does
> > > > > not count the day we went through the Canal.
> > > > > If people want to hear more about the trip, I would be glad to
> > > > > do a Monday night chat.
> > > > >
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