[NFB-Krafters-Korner] Dues

Linda lblasingim at charter.net
Fri Apr 30 16:19:44 UTC 2021 

I usually avoid controversy; but I cannot ignore this thread.  Tracy's statement has been misinterpreted.  Tracy has taught classes, participated in classes and offered other help in the division.  The projects we do in this division can be pricey, but, we have a choice to do them or not to do them.  Personally, I have not done several projects either because of cost or lack of interest.  Just like the projects, we have a choice to pay the dues.  I would like to see the membership grow as much as anyone; but, not with this negative attitude. I have paid other's dues in the past and will again, but,  I expect them to receive encouragement and help as they have.  If we have an issue with something, please contact the board members.  Don't put it out on the list.

Linda

-----Original Message-----
From: NFB-Krafters-Korner <nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of slery via NFB-Krafters-Korner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:00 AM
To: Valerie Alcaraz via NFB-Krafters-Korner <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Cc: slery <slerythema at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NFB-Krafters-Korner] Dues

Hi Valerie,

This statement by Tracy:

"

I'm happy to appreciate and pay for good service, and to appreciate someone who helps me"
as quoted directly from her email below, shows that she doesn't believe the classes are worth $20 for all of them a year. She is clearly unhappy with the service she is receiving from this division and thinks that $20 is too much for what she gets.

Cindy

On 4/29/2021 4:03 AM, Valerie Alcaraz via NFB-Krafters-Korner wrote:
> I could be wrong, but I have been quietly following the thread about 
> dues and such, and I never saw any posts where Tracy said that all the 
> classes were terible. I think more than anything else, she was trying 
> to understand where the dues went and how the funds were spent to help 
> the division. I'm sure some may have misunderstood, but no one is 
> saying the cost is necessarily too much, unless there are folks who 
> are on a very tight budget and can't pay more than a certain amount if 
> anything. I think it is
neat that there is a fund to help when folks need it, but one thing to consider at the present is that this past year has been a hard one for everyone and it may be a very real concern for some folks who enjoy the classes but can't do more than buy supplies for the class they want to take, and one of the questions she did pose was whether things could be adjusted for the benefit of current and future crafters interested in joining, and that discussion lead to the history of the dues fee and how it got to where it is now. And you're right, none of the teachers do get paid, but speaking for myself as a prospective teacher, I'd teach a class simply to share what I know with others who might enjoy it, within this group or outside it. The reward for me is helping someone discover something new they might love. I am grateful for this group of folks as this is where I started my crafting journey. From my perspective, it never hurts to ask a question in order to understand why something is the way it is. Sometimes changes come out of discussions like that, and sometimes things stay the same. The way I see it, both are a part of growth and life overall.
> I hope I didn't step on toes, and I didn't mean to lecture or get on a 
> soap box as I know no one needs to be lectured, as we are all grown. :) Take care, all.
> Valerie
>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 11:37 PM, slery via NFB-Krafters-Korner <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Wow, Tracy, I had no idea that you thought all the classes were 
>> terrible and not worth $20 a year for all of them. I have not read 
>> any
messages that said any teachers were paid. They DESERVE to be paid but I haven't heard or seen any messages saying that they were paid. Please let me know what message this was in, as I am very curious.
>>
>> If you don't think the division provides any value worth $20, may I 
>> ask what you get out of this division? It will be very helpful for 
>> the board to know what members and non-members think. Perhaps there 
>> is something the division can do to change such an awful perception 
>> that is apparently
being portrayed to people.
>>
>> I haven't participated in classes in years, but I still think the classes alone are worth more than $20.
>>
>> So very saddened to see this division come to such a terrible state,
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>>> On 4/14/2021 1:44 PM, Tracy Carcione via NFB-Krafters-Korner wrote:
>>> It really bugs me when people try to lay the trip on me that blind 
>>> people should be grateful for whatever we can get, even when I hear 
>>> it from
people I know to be of good will.  I've had a bellyful of it from organizations who use it as an excuse to be patronizing, disrespectful, and sloppy, or from blind people excusing those attitudes.  I'm happy to appreciate and pay for good service, and to appreciate someone who helps me, but not because I'm just a poor little blind girl.
>>> Nor am I saying blind people should get everything for free.  I just think dues should be reasonable for what members get, and I am concerned that keeping and increasing membership could be made harder by charging high dues.  It's not a problem for me, but I know it can be for others.
>>>
>>> I had no idea some teachers were paid.  I've taught a couple 
>>> classes,
and the subject never came up.  I'm just an enthusiastic volunteer, sharing what I know.  Huh.
>>>
>>> The other things like web admin are handled differently by different divisions, and I have no comment.
>>> It is good to know what dues are being used for, whether I think all those uses are good or not.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NFB-Krafters-Korner 
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cathy 
>>> Flesher via NFB-Krafters-Korner
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 7:32 PM
>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>> Cc: Cathy Flesher
>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Krafters-Korner] Dues
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I think a bit of history is worth sharing here. For a few years we 
>>> had a web administrator for our website who we paid to keep our site 
>>> up to date. Our dues which were $10 at the time was unable to pay 
>>> for all of the work needed to cover these expenses. So we raised the 
>>> dues. Also around
that time we were paying to have some advertising of our group on other websites for the blind and visually impaired.
>>>
>>> At present I am volunteering my time to administrate the site. 
>>> However, I don’t know how much longer I will be able to handle this 
>>> job. So, having money available to hire a website administrator may 
>>> become
necessary at some time in the future. Also, we are not paying for advertising anywhere at present, however this is something that may wish to be done again in the future.
>>>
>>> On a personal note, I just canot understand why some of you are not 
>>> simply grateful beyond belief to be able to pay for classes adaptive 
>>> for the blind for only $20 per year. This is something that no other 
>>> division offers, and I am more than happy to contribute financially 
>>> and through teaching to keep this valuable resource available to 
>>> myself and other blind
persons. Are teachers requesting payment for their time and effort? May bethey should, simply to reflect the value they add to the uniqueness of this division.
>>>
>>>
>>> Don’t be one of those blind folks who wants everything for nothing. This is not what the NFB wants for us.
>>>
>>>
>>> May God bless you.
>>>   Cathy F
>>>
>>>>> On Apr 13, 2021, at 1:20 PM, Terry Powers via NFB-Krafters-Korner <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Part of why we raised the dues is to be able to assist people to 
>>>> go to National convention.  I know we have not been able to assist 
>>>> anyone in 2020 and will not do so for 2021, but this will give us 
>>>> more to
assist others, in the future.  We also contribute to 1 or more of the NFB funds.
>>>> Assisting people to go to convention has been a great help to many!
>>>> Many of us are on a fixed income and or have families to raise and do not have the money to spend.
>>>> For us to have a meeting, at convention, we need most of the board, to attend.
>>>> I can name 4, off the top of my head that have been given 
>>>> assistance
to attend convention.
>>>> Do you know of any other division that does this?
>>>>
>>>> Terry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NFB-Krafters-Korner <nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org> 
>>>> On Behalf Of ReNae Anderson via NFB-Krafters-Korner
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 12:31 PM
>>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists 
>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: ReNae Anderson <mother27dragon at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Krafters-Korner] Dues
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for this concern, as it has always been a concern of mine. 
I am working on it to see how we can make this change to make this better for everyone.
>>>>
>>>> K. ReNae Anderson
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 13, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Tracy Carcione via 
>>>>> NFB-Krafters-Korner
<nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I really think the division should consider the amount of its 
>>>>> dues, and do so before too many people have paid for this year.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me, the mere fact that there is a scholarship to help people 
>>>>> pay dues indicates there could be a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> I keep wondering why KK dues are 4 times as much as dues for any 
>>>>> other division I'm in.  If there's a good reason, I'd like to know 
>>>>> it.  But, if the reason is that it's always been that way since 
>>>>> the division started, I think it's time for a change.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>>
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