[Nfb-science] doing math on the computer
Nikhil Dama
nickdama12 at gmail.com
Mon Feb 13 21:12:20 UTC 2012
On 2/13/12, Nikhil Dama <nickdama12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was looking for a mentor that is blind and a doctor. This person can
> help me with my dream of becoming an Intervensional Radiologist. I
> think Tim Chords would be a good mentor for me. I do not have any
> information to contact him. Do you know his e-mail or phone number?
>
> Thanks,
> Nick Dama
>
> On 12/16/11, Nikhil Dama <nickdama12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12/16/11, nfb-science-request at nfbnet.org
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>>> 1. blind radiologist (Nikhil Dama)
>>> 2. Re: blind radiologist (Peter Donahue)
>>> 3. Re: blind radiologist (Mike Freeman)
>>> 4. Re: blind radiologist (Fred Wurtzel)
>>> 5. Re: blind radiologist (Jaquiss, Robert)
>>> 6. Re: blind radiologist (Fred Wurtzel)
>>> 7. Re: blind radiologist (Peter Donahue)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:54:02 -0600
>>> From: Nikhil Dama <nickdama12 at gmail.com>
>>> To: nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
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>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was looking at the description of this job and I found out tha
>>> radiologists have to read many diagrams. These diagrams include
>>> x-rays, MRI scans, or other types of scans. WIth my vision impairment
>>> would there be away that the x-rays could be converted into tactiles,
>>> so I could read them. If I could find away to make this conversion
>>> occur. Then I could become a radiologist.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> NIck Dama
>>>
>>> On 12/14/11, nfb-science-request at nfbnet.org
>>> <nfb-science-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>> 1. Request for Beta Testers (David Andrews)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:01:37 -0600
>>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>> To: nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Nfb-science] Request for Beta Testers
>>>> Message-ID: <auto-000039762266 at mailfront4.g2host.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
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>>>>
>>>>>From: "Shelton, Robert O. (JSC-ER711)" <robert.o.shelton at nasa.gov>
>>>>>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:21:43 -0600
>>>>>Subject: [Rocketon] Request for Beta Testers
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi everyone. A few years ago, I led a group which developed an
>>>>>application for access to graphical mathematics -- MathTrax,
>>>>>available from http://prime.jsc.nasa.gov/mathtrax
>>>>>
>>>>>As often happens, funding for upgrades and maintenance was never
>>>>>provided, and the development team moved on to other projects, but
>>>>>MathTrax continues to have a strong following. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>Windows installer for MathTrax was only intended for 32-bit systems,
>>>>>and while the application installed by the current MathTrax
>>>>>installer technically works, it isn't accessible on a 64-bit
>>>>>system. Until relatively recently, there was nothing I or anyone
>>>>>else could do about this; however, last spring, Oracle and Freedom
>>>>>Scientific updated the Java Access Bridge to work with 64-bit
>>>>>systems. With the holidays, I've had a chance to figure out how to
>>>>>rebuild the MathTrax installer for 64-bit Windows systems, and, at
>>>>>least on my machine, it appears to work.
>>>>>
>>>>>What I'd like to ask is whether there might be several volunteers
>>>>>who would be willing to test my new installer. In order to do this,
>>>>>you need to have 1. A 64-bit Windows system (Vista or Windows 7)
>>>>>2. JAWS 12.0.1170 or later -- any version of JAWS 13 should be fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>It would be particularly useful if your system does not have the
>>>>>Java Access Bridge, because the installer for MathTrax must create a
>>>>>little Java environment fitted with all the Java Access Bridge code
>>>>>for accessibility. If you have a 64-bit system, and you don't know
>>>>>if the Java Access Bridge was installed, it probably wasn't. The
>>>>>64-bit version requires a manual install, which is painfully
>>>>>memorable. Of course, the MathTrax installer takes care of the
>>>>>whole works for you, so you don't have to fiddle with the JAB at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please let me know if you're willing to test. I'll need to send you
>>>>>a link to the installer as the one on prime.jsc.nasa.gov is still
>>>>>the 32-bit version.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers to all,
>>>>>
>>>>>--Robert Shelton
>>>>>
>>>>>Dr. Robert Shelton
>>>>>Lead, JSC Engineering Orbital Dynamics (JEOD)
>>>>>Simulation and Graphics Branch (ER7)
>>>>>NASA Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center
>>>>>2101 NASA Parkway
>>>>>Houston, TX. 77058
>>>>>V: 281-483-5901
>>>>>E: robert.o.shelton at nasa.gov
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> ------------------------------
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:17:06 -0600
>>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>> To: "NFB Science and Engineering Division List"
>>> <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>> Message-ID: <2B4638BEB45243C8B27A7BC19DE0D56A at valuedcf71de43>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>> reply-type=original
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> A technology called Photoform is being developed to convert visual
>>> images in to tactile ones. It has been used to produce tactile images of
>>> the
>>> planets, the moon, and other celestial objects. Considering that x-rays
>>> and
>>> other diagnostic images are now produced and stored digitally why
>>> couldn't
>>> a
>>> technology like Photoform be used to turn them in to tactual images a
>>> doctor
>>> or a radiologist could use to make a diagnosis. Contact the NFB
>>> Jernigan
>>> Institute for further information about Photoform. I've been suggesting
>>> that
>>> tactile drawings and diagrams could be produced from diagnostic imaging
>>> data
>>> with Photoform not just for use in diagnosing illnesses, but for
>>> teaching
>>> purposes as well. Don't let anyone steal your dream!
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Nikhil Dama" <nickdama12 at gmail.com>
>>> To: <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:54 PM
>>> Subject: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I was looking at the description of this job and I found out tha
>>>> radiologists have to read many diagrams. These diagrams include
>>>> x-rays, MRI scans, or other types of scans. WIth my vision impairment
>>>> would there be away that the x-rays could be converted into tactiles,
>>>> so I could read them. If I could find away to make this conversion
>>>> occur. Then I could become a radiologist.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> NIck Dama
>>>>
>>>> On 12/14/11, nfb-science-request at nfbnet.org
>>>> <nfb-science-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Send Nfb-science mailing list submissions to
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>>>>>
>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Request for Beta Testers (David Andrews)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:01:37 -0600
>>>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>> To: nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Nfb-science] Request for Beta Testers
>>>>> Message-ID: <auto-000039762266 at mailfront4.g2host.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "Shelton, Robert O. (JSC-ER711)" <robert.o.shelton at nasa.gov>
>>>>>>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:21:43 -0600
>>>>>>Subject: [Rocketon] Request for Beta Testers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi everyone. A few years ago, I led a group which developed an
>>>>>>application for access to graphical mathematics -- MathTrax,
>>>>>>available from http://prime.jsc.nasa.gov/mathtrax
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As often happens, funding for upgrades and maintenance was never
>>>>>>provided, and the development team moved on to other projects, but
>>>>>>MathTrax continues to have a strong following. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>Windows installer for MathTrax was only intended for 32-bit systems,
>>>>>>and while the application installed by the current MathTrax
>>>>>>installer technically works, it isn't accessible on a 64-bit
>>>>>>system. Until relatively recently, there was nothing I or anyone
>>>>>>else could do about this; however, last spring, Oracle and Freedom
>>>>>>Scientific updated the Java Access Bridge to work with 64-bit
>>>>>>systems. With the holidays, I've had a chance to figure out how to
>>>>>>rebuild the MathTrax installer for 64-bit Windows systems, and, at
>>>>>>least on my machine, it appears to work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What I'd like to ask is whether there might be several volunteers
>>>>>>who would be willing to test my new installer. In order to do this,
>>>>>>you need to have 1. A 64-bit Windows system (Vista or Windows 7)
>>>>>>2. JAWS 12.0.1170 or later -- any version of JAWS 13 should be fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It would be particularly useful if your system does not have the
>>>>>>Java Access Bridge, because the installer for MathTrax must create a
>>>>>>little Java environment fitted with all the Java Access Bridge code
>>>>>>for accessibility. If you have a 64-bit system, and you don't know
>>>>>>if the Java Access Bridge was installed, it probably wasn't. The
>>>>>>64-bit version requires a manual install, which is painfully
>>>>>>memorable. Of course, the MathTrax installer takes care of the
>>>>>>whole works for you, so you don't have to fiddle with the JAB at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please let me know if you're willing to test. I'll need to send you
>>>>>>a link to the installer as the one on prime.jsc.nasa.gov is still
>>>>>>the 32-bit version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers to all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--Robert Shelton
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dr. Robert Shelton
>>>>>>Lead, JSC Engineering Orbital Dynamics (JEOD)
>>>>>>Simulation and Graphics Branch (ER7)
>>>>>>NASA Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center
>>>>>>2101 NASA Parkway
>>>>>>Houston, TX. 77058
>>>>>>V: 281-483-5901
>>>>>>E: robert.o.shelton at nasa.gov
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:13:18 -0800
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'NFB Science and Engineering Division List'"
>>> <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>> Message-ID: <007b01ccbbb1$6c9d85d0$45d89170$@panix.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> I'm afraid such an approach would be beaucoup expensive for day-to-day
>>> use
>>> (as opposed to the teaching environment) as you'd go thru reams of paper
>>> and
>>> that stuff ain't cheap. Also, it would take considerable research and
>>> possibly some software customization to ensure that the information
>>> rendered
>>> in tactile form was that needed to make a diagnosis. One of the dirty
>>> little
>>> secrets of radiology was how often radiologists missed tumors and the
>>> like
>>> -- and these were *sighted* ones.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:17 PM
>>> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> A technology called Photoform is being developed to convert visual
>>> images in to tactile ones. It has been used to produce tactile images of
>>> the
>>>
>>> planets, the moon, and other celestial objects. Considering that x-rays
>>> and
>>> other diagnostic images are now produced and stored digitally why
>>> couldn't
>>> a
>>>
>>> technology like Photoform be used to turn them in to tactual images a
>>> doctor
>>>
>>> or a radiologist could use to make a diagnosis. Contact the NFB
>>> Jernigan
>>> Institute for further information about Photoform. I've been suggesting
>>> that
>>>
>>> tactile drawings and diagrams could be produced from diagnostic imaging
>>> data
>>>
>>> with Photoform not just for use in diagnosing illnesses, but for
>>> teaching
>>> purposes as well. Don't let anyone steal your dream!
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Nikhil Dama" <nickdama12 at gmail.com>
>>> To: <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:54 PM
>>> Subject: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I was looking at the description of this job and I found out tha
>>>> radiologists have to read many diagrams. These diagrams include
>>>> x-rays, MRI scans, or other types of scans. WIth my vision impairment
>>>> would there be away that the x-rays could be converted into tactiles,
>>>> so I could read them. If I could find away to make this conversion
>>>> occur. Then I could become a radiologist.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> NIck Dama
>>>>
>>>> On 12/14/11, nfb-science-request at nfbnet.org
>>>> <nfb-science-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Send Nfb-science mailing list submissions to
>>>>> nfb-science at nfbnet.org
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>>>>> than "Re: Contents of Nfb-science digest..."
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>>>>>
>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Request for Beta Testers (David Andrews)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:01:37 -0600
>>>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>> To: nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Nfb-science] Request for Beta Testers
>>>>> Message-ID: <auto-000039762266 at mailfront4.g2host.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "Shelton, Robert O. (JSC-ER711)" <robert.o.shelton at nasa.gov>
>>>>>>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:21:43 -0600
>>>>>>Subject: [Rocketon] Request for Beta Testers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi everyone. A few years ago, I led a group which developed an
>>>>>>application for access to graphical mathematics -- MathTrax,
>>>>>>available from http://prime.jsc.nasa.gov/mathtrax
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As often happens, funding for upgrades and maintenance was never
>>>>>>provided, and the development team moved on to other projects, but
>>>>>>MathTrax continues to have a strong following. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>Windows installer for MathTrax was only intended for 32-bit systems,
>>>>>>and while the application installed by the current MathTrax
>>>>>>installer technically works, it isn't accessible on a 64-bit
>>>>>>system. Until relatively recently, there was nothing I or anyone
>>>>>>else could do about this; however, last spring, Oracle and Freedom
>>>>>>Scientific updated the Java Access Bridge to work with 64-bit
>>>>>>systems. With the holidays, I've had a chance to figure out how to
>>>>>>rebuild the MathTrax installer for 64-bit Windows systems, and, at
>>>>>>least on my machine, it appears to work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What I'd like to ask is whether there might be several volunteers
>>>>>>who would be willing to test my new installer. In order to do this,
>>>>>>you need to have 1. A 64-bit Windows system (Vista or Windows 7)
>>>>>>2. JAWS 12.0.1170 or later -- any version of JAWS 13 should be fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It would be particularly useful if your system does not have the
>>>>>>Java Access Bridge, because the installer for MathTrax must create a
>>>>>>little Java environment fitted with all the Java Access Bridge code
>>>>>>for accessibility. If you have a 64-bit system, and you don't know
>>>>>>if the Java Access Bridge was installed, it probably wasn't. The
>>>>>>64-bit version requires a manual install, which is painfully
>>>>>>memorable. Of course, the MathTrax installer takes care of the
>>>>>>whole works for you, so you don't have to fiddle with the JAB at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please let me know if you're willing to test. I'll need to send you
>>>>>>a link to the installer as the one on prime.jsc.nasa.gov is still
>>>>>>the 32-bit version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers to all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--Robert Shelton
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dr. Robert Shelton
>>>>>>Lead, JSC Engineering Orbital Dynamics (JEOD)
>>>>>>Simulation and Graphics Branch (ER7)
>>>>>>NASA Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center
>>>>>>2101 NASA Parkway
>>>>>>Houston, TX. 77058
>>>>>>V: 281-483-5901
>>>>>>E: robert.o.shelton at nasa.gov
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:19:04 -0500
>>> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
>>> To: "'NFB Science and Engineering Division List'"
>>> <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
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>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> How can we project this technology forward rather than backward to what
>>> we
>>> already know? Refreshable and virtual imagery seem to me to be the way
>>> to
>>> express this information. Paper may have an appropriate role, but as
>>> Mike
>>> says, it is too limiting. I think of temperature, motion (like
>>> vibration)
>>> or sound as you move a finger over an image to express a characteristic.
>>> We
>>> need a 3-d display like a sphere or something that could include various
>>> expressions of the data. Now, Mike, you are right about the R&D on
>>> this.
>>> Not cheap, but it follows Kurzweil's thinking, and is conceivable.
>>>
>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:13 AM
>>> To: 'NFB Science and Engineering Division List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>>
>>> I'm afraid such an approach would be beaucoup expensive for day-to-day
>>> use
>>> (as opposed to the teaching environment) as you'd go thru reams of paper
>>> and
>>> that stuff ain't cheap. Also, it would take considerable research and
>>> possibly some software customization to ensure that the information
>>> rendered
>>> in tactile form was that needed to make a diagnosis. One of the dirty
>>> little
>>> secrets of radiology was how often radiologists missed tumors and the
>>> like
>>> -- and these were *sighted* ones.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:17 PM
>>> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> A technology called Photoform is being developed to convert visual
>>> images in to tactile ones. It has been used to produce tactile images of
>>> the
>>>
>>> planets, the moon, and other celestial objects. Considering that x-rays
>>> and
>>> other diagnostic images are now produced and stored digitally why
>>> couldn't
>>> a
>>>
>>> technology like Photoform be used to turn them in to tactual images a
>>> doctor
>>>
>>> or a radiologist could use to make a diagnosis. Contact the NFB
>>> Jernigan
>>> Institute for further information about Photoform. I've been suggesting
>>> that
>>>
>>> tactile drawings and diagrams could be produced from diagnostic imaging
>>> data
>>>
>>> with Photoform not just for use in diagnosing illnesses, but for
>>> teaching
>>> purposes as well. Don't let anyone steal your dream!
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Nikhil Dama" <nickdama12 at gmail.com>
>>> To: <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:54 PM
>>> Subject: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I was looking at the description of this job and I found out tha
>>>> radiologists have to read many diagrams. These diagrams include
>>>> x-rays, MRI scans, or other types of scans. WIth my vision impairment
>>>> would there be away that the x-rays could be converted into tactiles,
>>>> so I could read them. If I could find away to make this conversion
>>>> occur. Then I could become a radiologist.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> NIck Dama
>>>>
>>>> On 12/14/11, nfb-science-request at nfbnet.org
>>>> <nfb-science-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Send Nfb-science mailing list submissions to
>>>>> nfb-science at nfbnet.org
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>>>>> nfb-science-request at nfbnet.org
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>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>> than "Re: Contents of Nfb-science digest..."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Request for Beta Testers (David Andrews)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:01:37 -0600
>>>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>> To: nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Nfb-science] Request for Beta Testers
>>>>> Message-ID: <auto-000039762266 at mailfront4.g2host.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "Shelton, Robert O. (JSC-ER711)" <robert.o.shelton at nasa.gov>
>>>>>>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:21:43 -0600
>>>>>>Subject: [Rocketon] Request for Beta Testers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi everyone. A few years ago, I led a group which developed an
>>>>>>application for access to graphical mathematics -- MathTrax,
>>>>>>available from http://prime.jsc.nasa.gov/mathtrax
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As often happens, funding for upgrades and maintenance was never
>>>>>>provided, and the development team moved on to other projects, but
>>>>>>MathTrax continues to have a strong following. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>Windows installer for MathTrax was only intended for 32-bit systems,
>>>>>>and while the application installed by the current MathTrax
>>>>>>installer technically works, it isn't accessible on a 64-bit
>>>>>>system. Until relatively recently, there was nothing I or anyone
>>>>>>else could do about this; however, last spring, Oracle and Freedom
>>>>>>Scientific updated the Java Access Bridge to work with 64-bit
>>>>>>systems. With the holidays, I've had a chance to figure out how to
>>>>>>rebuild the MathTrax installer for 64-bit Windows systems, and, at
>>>>>>least on my machine, it appears to work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What I'd like to ask is whether there might be several volunteers
>>>>>>who would be willing to test my new installer. In order to do this,
>>>>>>you need to have 1. A 64-bit Windows system (Vista or Windows 7)
>>>>>>2. JAWS 12.0.1170 or later -- any version of JAWS 13 should be fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It would be particularly useful if your system does not have the
>>>>>>Java Access Bridge, because the installer for MathTrax must create a
>>>>>>little Java environment fitted with all the Java Access Bridge code
>>>>>>for accessibility. If you have a 64-bit system, and you don't know
>>>>>>if the Java Access Bridge was installed, it probably wasn't. The
>>>>>>64-bit version requires a manual install, which is painfully
>>>>>>memorable. Of course, the MathTrax installer takes care of the
>>>>>>whole works for you, so you don't have to fiddle with the JAB at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please let me know if you're willing to test. I'll need to send you
>>>>>>a link to the installer as the one on prime.jsc.nasa.gov is still
>>>>>>the 32-bit version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers to all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--Robert Shelton
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dr. Robert Shelton
>>>>>>Lead, JSC Engineering Orbital Dynamics (JEOD)
>>>>>>Simulation and Graphics Branch (ER7)
>>>>>>NASA Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center
>>>>>>2101 NASA Parkway
>>>>>>Houston, TX. 77058
>>>>>>V: 281-483-5901
>>>>>>E: robert.o.shelton at nasa.gov
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 05:16:02 -0800
>>> From: "Jaquiss, Robert" <RJaquiss at nfb.org>
>>> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: "Research and Development Committee \(appointed\)"
>>> <nfb-rdcomm at nfbcal.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <15131457E4DA6B4EBD8776E13F2B3E100E79226B98 at VA3DIAXVS751.RED001.local>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Hello Nikhil:
>>>
>>> I am writing in response to your note. I have read three of the
>>> other
>>> replies. There is a company, SensAble Technologies that sells a product
>>> known as the Phantom arm. This device is intended to feel and manipulate
>>> virtual objects in 3d space. It is certainly possible to feel 3d
>>> objects.
>>> The user holds either a pen shaped device or inserts their finger into a
>>> "thimble". The pen or thimble is connected to a set of jointed arms
>>> somewhat
>>> like a desk lamp. The joints are equipped with resolvers and stepping
>>> motors
>>> which allow the user to feel an object. The Phantom arm is used in
>>> CADCAM
>>> applications, so this is a tried and true product and has been around
>>> for
>>> well over a decade. I think a system is in the $6,000 to $10,000 range.
>>> There are some very small scale ystems for less. We need to get our
>>> hands
>>> on
>>> one of these systems and do some research. From what I know, I am
>>> guessing
>>> that some JAWS scripts will be needed. I am reasonably certain that
>>> software
>>> exists to convert MRI data into a form that the Phantom can deal with.
>>> Some
>>> surgeons already use MRI and CatScan data to produce 3d models. These
>>> models
>>> are used to rehearse complex operations.
>>>
>>> As for producing x-ray or MRI images in a tactile form, various
>>> technologies already exist. With the exception of the Roland LEC
>>> printer,
>>> capsule paper or the Tiger, they are slow. It would take hours to render
>>> an
>>> MRI image into a 3d model. A radiologist has to work faster in order to
>>> be
>>> productive. The various technologies are also not inexpensive. The
>>> Phantom
>>> Arm once bought would run for years. The RP technologies require the use
>>> of
>>> consumables which would drive up the cost of service.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert Jaquiss
>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
>>> Baltimore, Maryland 21230
>>> Phone: 410-659-9314, ext. 2422
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Nikhil Dama
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:54 PM
>>> To: nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was looking at the description of this job and I found out tha
>>> radiologists have to read many diagrams. These diagrams include
>>> x-rays, MRI scans, or other types of scans. WIth my vision impairment
>>> would there be away that the x-rays could be converted into tactiles,
>>> so I could read them. If I could find away to make this conversion
>>> occur. Then I could become a radiologist.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> NIck Dama
>>>
>>> On 12/14/11, nfb-science-request at nfbnet.org
>>> <nfb-science-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>> 1. Request for Beta Testers (David Andrews)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:01:37 -0600
>>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>> To: nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Nfb-science] Request for Beta Testers
>>>> Message-ID: <auto-000039762266 at mailfront4.g2host.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "Shelton, Robert O. (JSC-ER711)" <robert.o.shelton at nasa.gov>
>>>>>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:21:43 -0600
>>>>>Subject: [Rocketon] Request for Beta Testers
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi everyone. A few years ago, I led a group which developed an
>>>>>application for access to graphical mathematics -- MathTrax,
>>>>>available from http://prime.jsc.nasa.gov/mathtrax
>>>>>
>>>>>As often happens, funding for upgrades and maintenance was never
>>>>>provided, and the development team moved on to other projects, but
>>>>>MathTrax continues to have a strong following. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>Windows installer for MathTrax was only intended for 32-bit systems,
>>>>>and while the application installed by the current MathTrax
>>>>>installer technically works, it isn't accessible on a 64-bit
>>>>>system. Until relatively recently, there was nothing I or anyone
>>>>>else could do about this; however, last spring, Oracle and Freedom
>>>>>Scientific updated the Java Access Bridge to work with 64-bit
>>>>>systems. With the holidays, I've had a chance to figure out how to
>>>>>rebuild the MathTrax installer for 64-bit Windows systems, and, at
>>>>>least on my machine, it appears to work.
>>>>>
>>>>>What I'd like to ask is whether there might be several volunteers
>>>>>who would be willing to test my new installer. In order to do this,
>>>>>you need to have 1. A 64-bit Windows system (Vista or Windows 7)
>>>>>2. JAWS 12.0.1170 or later -- any version of JAWS 13 should be fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>It would be particularly useful if your system does not have the
>>>>>Java Access Bridge, because the installer for MathTrax must create a
>>>>>little Java environment fitted with all the Java Access Bridge code
>>>>>for accessibility. If you have a 64-bit system, and you don't know
>>>>>if the Java Access Bridge was installed, it probably wasn't. The
>>>>>64-bit version requires a manual install, which is painfully
>>>>>memorable. Of course, the MathTrax installer takes care of the
>>>>>whole works for you, so you don't have to fiddle with the JAB at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please let me know if you're willing to test. I'll need to send you
>>>>>a link to the installer as the one on prime.jsc.nasa.gov is still
>>>>>the 32-bit version.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers to all,
>>>>>
>>>>>--Robert Shelton
>>>>>
>>>>>Dr. Robert Shelton
>>>>>Lead, JSC Engineering Orbital Dynamics (JEOD)
>>>>>Simulation and Graphics Branch (ER7)
>>>>>NASA Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center
>>>>>2101 NASA Parkway
>>>>>Houston, TX. 77058
>>>>>V: 281-483-5901
>>>>>E: robert.o.shelton at nasa.gov
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:33:30 -0500
>>> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
>>> To: "'NFB Science and Engineering Division List'"
>>> <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>> Message-ID: <001901ccbbf7$4d734d20$e859e760$@att.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>>
>>> Hi Robert,
>>>
>>> Great! Exactly the ideas I think are adaptable. A 3-d image seems much
>>> more useful than a tactile 2-d image trying to interpret 3-d data.
>>>
>>> warm Regards,
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Jaquiss, Robert
>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 8:16 AM
>>> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>>> Cc: Research and Development Committee (appointed)
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>>
>>> Hello Nikhil:
>>>
>>> I am writing in response to your note. I have read three of the
>>> other
>>> replies. There is a company, SensAble Technologies that sells a product
>>> known as the Phantom arm. This device is intended to feel and manipulate
>>> virtual objects in 3d space. It is certainly possible to feel 3d
>>> objects.
>>> The user holds either a pen shaped device or inserts their finger into a
>>> "thimble". The pen or thimble is connected to a set of jointed arms
>>> somewhat
>>> like a desk lamp. The joints are equipped with resolvers and stepping
>>> motors
>>> which allow the user to feel an object. The Phantom arm is used in
>>> CADCAM
>>> applications, so this is a tried and true product and has been around
>>> for
>>> well over a decade. I think a system is in the $6,000 to $10,000 range.
>>> There are some very small scale ystems for less. We need to get our
>>> hands
>>> on
>>> one of these systems and do some research. From what I know, I am
>>> guessing
>>> that some JAWS scripts will be needed. I am reasonably certain that
>>> software
>>> exists to convert MRI data into a form that the Phantom can deal with.
>>> Some
>>> surgeons already use MRI and CatScan data to produce 3d models. These
>>> models
>>> are used to rehearse complex operations.
>>>
>>> As for producing x-ray or MRI images in a tactile form, various
>>> technologies already exist. With the exception of the Roland LEC
>>> printer,
>>> capsule paper or the Tiger, they are slow. It would take hours to render
>>> an
>>> MRI image into a 3d model. A radiologist has to work faster in order to
>>> be
>>> productive. The various technologies are also not inexpensive. The
>>> Phantom
>>> Arm once bought would run for years. The RP technologies require the use
>>> of
>>> consumables which would drive up the cost of service.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert Jaquiss
>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
>>> Baltimore, Maryland 21230
>>> Phone: 410-659-9314, ext. 2422
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Nikhil Dama
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:54 PM
>>> To: nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was looking at the description of this job and I found out tha
>>> radiologists have to read many diagrams. These diagrams include x-rays,
>>> MRI
>>> scans, or other types of scans. WIth my vision impairment would there be
>>> away that the x-rays could be converted into tactiles, so I could read
>>> them.
>>> If I could find away to make this conversion occur. Then I could become
>>> a
>>> radiologist.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> NIck Dama
>>>
>>> On 12/14/11, nfb-science-request at nfbnet.org
>>> <nfb-science-request at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Send Nfb-science mailing list submissions to
>>>> nfb-science at nfbnet.org
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>>>> 1. Request for Beta Testers (David Andrews)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:01:37 -0600
>>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>> To: nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Nfb-science] Request for Beta Testers
>>>> Message-ID: <auto-000039762266 at mailfront4.g2host.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "Shelton, Robert O. (JSC-ER711)" <robert.o.shelton at nasa.gov>
>>>>>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:21:43 -0600
>>>>>Subject: [Rocketon] Request for Beta Testers
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi everyone. A few years ago, I led a group which developed an
>>>>>application for access to graphical mathematics -- MathTrax, available
>>>>>from http://prime.jsc.nasa.gov/mathtrax
>>>>>
>>>>>As often happens, funding for upgrades and maintenance was never
>>>>>provided, and the development team moved on to other projects, but
>>>>>MathTrax continues to have a strong following. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>Windows installer for MathTrax was only intended for 32-bit systems,
>>>>>and while the application installed by the current MathTrax installer
>>>>>technically works, it isn't accessible on a 64-bit system. Until
>>>>>relatively recently, there was nothing I or anyone else could do about
>>>>>this; however, last spring, Oracle and Freedom Scientific updated the
>>>>>Java Access Bridge to work with 64-bit systems. With the holidays,
>>>>>I've had a chance to figure out how to rebuild the MathTrax installer
>>>>>for 64-bit Windows systems, and, at least on my machine, it appears to
>>>>>work.
>>>>>
>>>>>What I'd like to ask is whether there might be several volunteers who
>>>>>would be willing to test my new installer. In order to do this, you
>>>>>need to have 1. A 64-bit Windows system (Vista or Windows 7) 2. JAWS
>>>>>12.0.1170 or later -- any version of JAWS 13 should be fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>It would be particularly useful if your system does not have the Java
>>>>>Access Bridge, because the installer for MathTrax must create a little
>>>>>Java environment fitted with all the Java Access Bridge code for
>>>>>accessibility. If you have a 64-bit system, and you don't know if the
>>>>>Java Access Bridge was installed, it probably wasn't. The 64-bit
>>>>>version requires a manual install, which is painfully memorable. Of
>>>>>course, the MathTrax installer takes care of the whole works for you,
>>>>>so you don't have to fiddle with the JAB at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please let me know if you're willing to test. I'll need to send you a
>>>>>link to the installer as the one on prime.jsc.nasa.gov is still the
>>>>>32-bit version.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers to all,
>>>>>
>>>>>--Robert Shelton
>>>>>
>>>>>Dr. Robert Shelton
>>>>>Lead, JSC Engineering Orbital Dynamics (JEOD) Simulation and Graphics
>>>>>Branch (ER7) NASA Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center
>>>>>2101 NASA Parkway
>>>>>Houston, TX. 77058
>>>>>V: 281-483-5901
>>>>>E: robert.o.shelton at nasa.gov
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:53:16 -0600
>>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>> To: "NFB Science and Engineering Division List"
>>> <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>> Message-ID: <003e01ccbc0a$d3735e70$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Good morning everyone,
>>>
>>> Something I failed to mention last night is that some procedures
>>> such
>>> as
>>> ultrasound employ the use of sound to guide the radiologist or
>>> technician
>>> to
>>> locate the organ to be imaged. As for the paper thing such an
>>> application
>>> makes the case for full-page Braille displays or some other refreshable
>>> Braille technology. If photoform images can be saved in hard-copy they
>>> should also be saved as digital images that can be reproduced tactially
>>> via
>>> a refreshable Braille device.
>>>
>>> By employing multiple senses blind radiologists could prove to be better
>>> at
>>> diagnosing tumors and other conditions sighted radiologists tend to miss
>>> due
>>> to their dependence on a single sense. Perhaps virtual reality could
>>> also
>>> hold an answer for opening up this field to the blind. I've always been
>>> interested in the field of radiology and may have become an x-ray
>>> technician
>>> if it were possible. Research in to opening up this career to the blind
>>> if
>>> most definitely of interest to me. Again don't let anyone steal your
>>> dream.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'NFB Science and Engineering Division List'"
>>> <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm afraid such an approach would be beaucoup expensive for day-to-day
>>> use
>>> (as opposed to the teaching environment) as you'd go thru reams of paper
>>> and
>>> that stuff ain't cheap. Also, it would take considerable research and
>>> possibly some software customization to ensure that the information
>>> rendered
>>> in tactile form was that needed to make a diagnosis. One of the dirty
>>> little
>>> secrets of radiology was how often radiologists missed tumors and the
>>> like
>>> -- and these were *sighted* ones.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:17 PM
>>> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> A technology called Photoform is being developed to convert visual
>>> images in to tactile ones. It has been used to produce tactile images of
>>> the
>>>
>>> planets, the moon, and other celestial objects. Considering that x-rays
>>> and
>>> other diagnostic images are now produced and stored digitally why
>>> couldn't
>>> a
>>>
>>> technology like Photoform be used to turn them in to tactual images a
>>> doctor
>>>
>>> or a radiologist could use to make a diagnosis. Contact the NFB
>>> Jernigan
>>> Institute for further information about Photoform. I've been suggesting
>>> that
>>>
>>> tactile drawings and diagrams could be produced from diagnostic imaging
>>> data
>>>
>>> with Photoform not just for use in diagnosing illnesses, but for
>>> teaching
>>> purposes as well. Don't let anyone steal your dream!
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Nikhil Dama" <nickdama12 at gmail.com>
>>> To: <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:54 PM
>>> Subject: [Nfb-science] blind radiologist
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I was looking at the description of this job and I found out tha
>>>> radiologists have to read many diagrams. These diagrams include
>>>> x-rays, MRI scans, or other types of scans. WIth my vision impairment
>>>> would there be away that the x-rays could be converted into tactiles,
>>>> so I could read them. If I could find away to make this conversion
>>>> occur. Then I could become a radiologist.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> NIck Dama
>>>>
>>>> On 12/14/11, nfb-science-request at nfbnet.org
>>>> <nfb-science-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Send Nfb-science mailing list submissions to
>>>>> nfb-science at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>
>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Request for Beta Testers (David Andrews)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:01:37 -0600
>>>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>> To: nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Nfb-science] Request for Beta Testers
>>>>> Message-ID: <auto-000039762266 at mailfront4.g2host.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "Shelton, Robert O. (JSC-ER711)" <robert.o.shelton at nasa.gov>
>>>>>>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:21:43 -0600
>>>>>>Subject: [Rocketon] Request for Beta Testers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi everyone. A few years ago, I led a group which developed an
>>>>>>application for access to graphical mathematics -- MathTrax,
>>>>>>available from http://prime.jsc.nasa.gov/mathtrax
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As often happens, funding for upgrades and maintenance was never
>>>>>>provided, and the development team moved on to other projects, but
>>>>>>MathTrax continues to have a strong following. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>Windows installer for MathTrax was only intended for 32-bit systems,
>>>>>>and while the application installed by the current MathTrax
>>>>>>installer technically works, it isn't accessible on a 64-bit
>>>>>>system. Until relatively recently, there was nothing I or anyone
>>>>>>else could do about this; however, last spring, Oracle and Freedom
>>>>>>Scientific updated the Java Access Bridge to work with 64-bit
>>>>>>systems. With the holidays, I've had a chance to figure out how to
>>>>>>rebuild the MathTrax installer for 64-bit Windows systems, and, at
>>>>>>least on my machine, it appears to work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What I'd like to ask is whether there might be several volunteers
>>>>>>who would be willing to test my new installer. In order to do this,
>>>>>>you need to have 1. A 64-bit Windows system (Vista or Windows 7)
>>>>>>2. JAWS 12.0.1170 or later -- any version of JAWS 13 should be fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It would be particularly useful if your system does not have the
>>>>>>Java Access Bridge, because the installer for MathTrax must create a
>>>>>>little Java environment fitted with all the Java Access Bridge code
>>>>>>for accessibility. If you have a 64-bit system, and you don't know
>>>>>>if the Java Access Bridge was installed, it probably wasn't. The
>>>>>>64-bit version requires a manual install, which is painfully
>>>>>>memorable. Of course, the MathTrax installer takes care of the
>>>>>>whole works for you, so you don't have to fiddle with the JAB at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please let me know if you're willing to test. I'll need to send you
>>>>>>a link to the installer as the one on prime.jsc.nasa.gov is still
>>>>>>the 32-bit version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers to all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--Robert Shelton
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dr. Robert Shelton
>>>>>>Lead, JSC Engineering Orbital Dynamics (JEOD)
>>>>>>Simulation and Graphics Branch (ER7)
>>>>>>NASA Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center
>>>>>>2101 NASA Parkway
>>>>>>Houston, TX. 77058
>>>>>>V: 281-483-5901
>>>>>>E: robert.o.shelton at nasa.gov
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>> Hi,
>>
>> How does the Fantom Arm work? Do you know away that we can test it
>> whether if it would serve my purpose? What company sells a full page
>> braille display? I could not find any company that sold one. Thanks
>> for all of the feedback. I am a senior in highschool. Hopefully
>> someday I can become a radiologist.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Nick Dama
>>
>
Hi,
I am looking for a software that I could use to type math on the
computer. I am in Calculus, so I have to type complicated equations. I
cannot find any software that I can type the equations and I could use
a screen reader to read the equations that I typed. It would be
helpful if you could recommend any software.
Thanks,
Nick Dama
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