[NFB-Science] How to complete a graph in excel with keyboard commands
Dr. Denise M Robinson
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Sat Oct 5 17:04:31 UTC 2019
Here is a video with talking software--it is of a histogram but the point
is, you put your data in A=y and B=x exactly the same way no matter what
graph you do. For a scatter plot, the command is alt n, d. and if you need
lines and markers, just alt n, d then down arrow one time and you will have
the graph you need.-- How to make a graph
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EtohqFrpco> the issues in 2016 do not
exist in 365 and they are easier than this video--here is a blind student
doing a graph with labeling
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugi2WcNh6hI>
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On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science <
nfb-science at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all!
> I’m also a broke college student and can’t currently afford a Braille
> embossed. I don’t even know if I can get one through the Oregon Commission
> for the blind. My school can’t get one either. Unfortunently, they don’t
> currently have a Braille printer either. I love that idea and it would work
> if I was as wealthy as Bill Gates. Also, I totally see the sense in it.
> Therefore, I may have to advocate for one, if I stay on my current major.
> I’m still trying to sort that out. In the mean time, it still leaves open a
> major gap. What’s the best low budget way to make and read scientific
> graphs? Also, I’ve gotten little response in answering my other question.
> How do I tackle the visible lab equipment? The only one I got wind of so
> far is a microscope. I’ll pick brains about other equipment once I find out
> what that is.
>
>
> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown.
> Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth
> grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is
> one of my gifts.
> Blessed Be!
> Kendra Schaber,
> Student of Chemeketa Community College,
> member of 350.ORG Salem,
> Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter.
> Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense.
> Using both Gmail and Outlook.
> Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland, Winterhawks!
> Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State Beavers,
> baseball and football teams!
>
>
> > On Sep 24, 2019, at 05:56, Ashley N via NFB-Science <
> nfb-science at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regarding how you would get the information to Excel that you had
> asked John Gardener. One way you can do this is to use a Talking LabQuest
> as depending on what you’re recording, it can likely collect the data
> automatically putting things into an accessible chart, standard cartisian
> line graph with statistics, and can be transferred to the computer or
> ViewPlus Embosser.
> > If you need a format like a pie graph or other chart you can use the
> text file from the LabQuest to format it in Excel and print out a tactile
> graphic.
> > All these formats can easily be emailed and seen by a sighted instructor
> and if they insist on a printout, ViewPlus has an Embosser called Spot Dot
> that will print a raised line embossing with color underneath that won’t
> affect your reading or their seeing.
> > As John said in full disclosure I work for Independence Science who
> sells the LabQuest and we have a package deal with ViewPlus for $1000 off
> if you get the Embosser and LabQuest together though personally as a blind
> scientist I would say this is probably the most accurate accessible way to
> do this.
> > I love raised line drawing tools but I find them better for when a
> sighted person is showing me something on a board during class than to make
> your own graphs in an effective manner in terms of readability by others
> and accuracy. Unless you use a bunch of stencils or draw with much caution
> your lines can easily become wavy and look childish which isn’t what you
> want to give a professor as this gives the opportunity to misinterpret
> them. Also note most of these with the exception of the Tactile Blackboard
> end up giving either a white line on white paper or a clear line on clear
> plastic. While this will work great for you because it is raised, outside
> of TVIs and others used to working with blind people, sighted folks tend to
> not take kindly to graphs they perceive as all the same color in my
> experience.
> > I would suggest against just having the assistant draw it as like was
> pointed out earlier this usurps the intent to have you draw and interpret
> graphs.
> > Ashley Neybert
> >
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> > 1. How do I best deal with making graphs and using scientific
> > instruments in my environmental science class? (Kendra Schaber)
> > 2. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
> > scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > (John Gardner)
> > 3. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
> > scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > (Newton Nguyen)
> > 4. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
> > scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > (Kendra Schaber)
> > 5. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
> > scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > (Dr Denise M Robinson)
> > 6. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
> > scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > (redwing731 at gmail.com)
> > 7. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
> > scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > (Elizabeth Mohnke)
> > 8. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
> > scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > (Louis Maher)
> > 9. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
> > scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > (Louis Maher)
> > 10. Re: How do I best deal with making graphs and using
> > scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > (Dr. Denise M Robinson)
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> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:59:42 -0700
> > From: Kendra Schaber
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > , NFB Science and Engineering Division List
> >
> > Subject: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using
> > scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > Message-ID: <3A22C085-D249-4A5B-B94D-B0F9C724FB1B at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Hi all!
> > I know I don?t post very often in less I run into something major. I ran
> into something major today for my environmental science class. I wasn?t
> effected during the first class period itself. When I met up with my
> science teacher after class during my lunch break, some questions came up
> that I had some idea on how to answer but was missing critical information.
> How do I go about making graphs in an environmental science class?
> According to my science teacher, he informed me that I have to actually
> turn scientific data and promptly turn it intto a graph. Since I?m blind,
> there are some major accessability problems around any graph items that
> come up in any form. I told him to use tables instead of graphs when
> sending me information electronically. But it still doesn?t answer the
> question of how to make them. I?m not just talking about the graphs that
> most see in math classes. I?m talking about things like bar graphs, pie
> graphs, exponential graphs and simular. How do you all navigate this
> problem? Also, the other query came up with scientific equipment. One
> example is microscopes. I said that my in class assistant might be able to
> look into one for me and give me the information that?s acquired only via
> looking through a microscope. There might be other tools that I don?t know
> about, however, it still leaves yet another accessability gap with us blind
> science students. So, how do I navigate scientific measuring and data
> colecting instruments? Do I only use my in class aid or will I have to
> acquire additional tools? Can I use an in class assistant until I can get
> such tools? The earlier I know this information, the better off I?ll be.
> Thank you!!!
> >
> >
> > "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown.
> > Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth
> grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is
> one of my gifts.
> > Blessed Be!
> > Kendra Schaber,
> > Student of Chemeketa Community College,
> > member of 350.ORG Salem,
> > Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol
> Chapter.
> > Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense.
> > Using both Gmail and Outlook.
> > Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland,
> Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State
> Beavers, baseball and football teams!
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 21:08:26 +0000
> > From: John Gardner
> > To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
> > using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > Message-ID:
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Kendra, you can make all those graphs/charts with Excel, and you can
> print them using any ViewPlus embosser - including changing labels to
> braille with the bundled TSS software.
> > John (full disclosure - I am president of ViewPlus)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NFB-Science On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
> > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 2:00 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; NFB Science
> and Engineering Division List
> > Cc: Kendra Schaber
> > Subject: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using
> scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> >
> > Hi all!
> > I know I don?t post very often in less I run into something major. I ran
> into something major today for my environmental science class. I wasn?t
> effected during the first class period itself. When I met up with my
> science teacher after class during my lunch break, some questions came up
> that I had some idea on how to answer but was missing critical information.
> How do I go about making graphs in an environmental science class?
> According to my science teacher, he informed me that I have to actually
> turn scientific data and promptly turn it intto a graph. Since I?m blind,
> there are some major accessability problems around any graph items that
> come up in any form. I told him to use tables instead of graphs when
> sending me information electronically. But it still doesn?t answer the
> question of how to make them. I?m not just talking about the graphs that
> most see in math classes. I?m talking about things like bar graphs, pie
> graphs, exponential graphs and simular. How do you all navigate this
> problem? Also, the other query came up with scientific equipment. One
> example is microscopes. I said that my in class assistant might be able to
> look into one for me and give me the information that?s acquired only via
> looking through a microscope. There might be other tools that I don?t know
> about, however, it still leaves yet another accessability gap with us blind
> science students. So, how do I navigate scientific measuring and data
> colecting instruments? Do I only use my in class aid or will I have to
> acquire additional tools? Can I use an in class assistant until I can get
> such tools? The earlier I know this information, the better off I?ll be.
> Thank you!!!
> >
> >
> > "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown.
> > Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth
> grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is
> one of my gifts.
> > Blessed Be!
> > Kendra Schaber,
> > Student of Chemeketa Community College, member of 350.ORG Salem, Member
> of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter.
> > Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense.
> > Using both Gmail and Outlook.
> > Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland,
> Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State
> Beavers, baseball and football teams!
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:09:49 -0700
> > From: Newton Nguyen
> > To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
> > using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > Message-ID: <6BAF33B5-37B3-4117-97A5-0FDAB7D76F27 at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Dear Kendra,
> >
> > Try a tactile drawing board. I use it for my work and during coursework.
> You can have your lab assistant draw the graph or plot in real time.
> >
> > Here is the link:
> https://www.aph.org/product/draftsman-tactile-drawing-board/
> >
> > I hope this helps, and please let me know if you have any more questions.
> > Best,
> >
> > Newton Nguyen
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 23, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science wrote:
> >>
> >> Kendra
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:38:09 -0700
> > From: Kendra Schaber
> > To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
> > using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > Message-ID:
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Hi John!
> > Can I make these graphs and quickly send them into my science teacher
> too?
> >
> >
> > "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown.
> > Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth
> grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is
> one of my gifts.
> > Blessed Be!
> > Kendra Schaber,
> > Student of Chemeketa Community College,
> > member of 350.ORG Salem,
> > Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol
> Chapter.
> > Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense.
> > Using both Gmail and Outlook.
> > Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland,
> Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State
> Beavers, baseball and football teams!
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 23, 2019, at 14:08, John Gardner via NFB-Science wrote:
> >>
> >> Kendra, you can make all those graphs/charts with Excel, and you can
> print them using any ViewPlus embosser - including changing labels to
> braille with the bundled TSS software.
> >> John (full disclosure - I am president of ViewPlus)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NFB-Science On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
> >> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 2:00 PM
> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; NFB Science
> and Engineering Division List
> >> Cc: Kendra Schaber
> >> Subject: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using
> scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> >>
> >> Hi all!
> >> I know I don?t post very often in less I run into something major. I
> ran into something major today for my environmental science class. I wasn?t
> effected during the first class period itself. When I met up with my
> science teacher after class during my lunch break, some questions came up
> that I had some idea on how to answer but was missing critical information.
> How do I go about making graphs in an environmental science class?
> According to my science teacher, he informed me that I have to actually
> turn scientific data and promptly turn it intto a graph. Since I?m blind,
> there are some major accessability problems around any graph items that
> come up in any form. I told him to use tables instead of graphs when
> sending me information electronically. But it still doesn?t answer the
> question of how to make them. I?m not just talking about the graphs that
> most see in math classes. I?m talking about things like bar graphs, pie
> graphs, exponential graphs and simular. How do you all navigate this
> problem? Also, the other query came up with scientific equipment. One
> example is microscopes. I said that my in class assistant might be able to
> look into one for me and give me the information that?s acquired only via
> looking through a microscope. There might be other tools that I don?t know
> about, however, it still leaves yet another accessability gap with us blind
> science students. So, how do I navigate scientific measuring and data
> colecting instruments? Do I only use my in class aid or will I have to
> acquire additional tools? Can I use an in class assistant until I can get
> such tools? The earlier I know this information, the better off I?ll be.
> Thank you!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown.
> >> Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth
> grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is
> one of my gifts.
> >> Blessed Be!
> >> Kendra Schaber,
> >> Student of Chemeketa Community College, member of 350.ORG Salem,
> Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter.
> >> Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense.
> >> Using both Gmail and Outlook.
> >> Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland,
> Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State
> Beavers, baseball and football teams!
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NFB-Science mailing list
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:24:42 -0400
> > From: Dr Denise M Robinson
> > To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
> > Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > , Kendra Schaber
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
> > using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > Message-ID: <5F67F35E-1DC4-4521-BFEF-EA7C734213B4 at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > For the graphs Excel is incredibly accessible and you can make any type
> of graph you need in order to hand in.
> >
> > Sent from Dr Denise M Robinson
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 23, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all!
> >> I know I don?t post very often in less I run into something major. I
> ran into something major today for my environmental science class. I wasn?t
> effected during the first class period itself. When I met up with my
> science teacher after class during my lunch break, some questions came up
> that I had some idea on how to answer but was missing critical information.
> How do I go about making graphs in an environmental science class?
> According to my science teacher, he informed me that I have to actually
> turn scientific data and promptly turn it intto a graph. Since I?m blind,
> there are some major accessability problems around any graph items that
> come up in any form. I told him to use tables instead of graphs when
> sending me information electronically. But it still doesn?t answer the
> question of how to make them. I?m not just talking about the graphs that
> most see in math classes. I?m talking about things like bar graphs, pie
> graphs, exponential graphs and simular. How do you all navigate this
> problem? Also, the other query came up with scientific equipment. One
> example is microscopes. I said that my in class assistant might be able to
> look into one for me and give me the information that?s acquired only via
> looking through a microscope. There might be other tools that I don?t know
> about, however, it still leaves yet another accessability gap with us blind
> science students. So, how do I navigate scientific measuring and data
> colecting instruments? Do I only use my in class aid or will I have to
> acquire additional tools? Can I use an in class assistant until I can get
> such tools? The earlier I know this information, the better off I?ll be.
> Thank you!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown.
> >> Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth
> grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is
> one of my gifts.
> >> Blessed Be!
> >> Kendra Schaber,
> >> Student of Chemeketa Community College,
> >> member of 350.ORG Salem,
> >> Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol
> Chapter.
> >> Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense.
> >> Using both Gmail and Outlook.
> >> Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland,
> Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State
> Beavers, baseball and football teams!
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NFB-Science mailing list
> >> NFB-Science at nfbnet.org
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 17:22:44 -0700
> > From: redwing731 at gmail.com
> > To: "'NFB Science and Engineering Division List'"
> >
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
> > using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > Message-ID: <000d01d5726e$30411bc0$90c35340$@gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Hi all!
> > I was looking at tactile graphing boards a few weeks ago only to discover
> > that there is one that APH use to sell that they don't sell any more. I
> > think that particular board isn't being made any more. Do you know of any
> > others that are being produced?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NFB-Science On Behalf Of Newton
> > Nguyen via NFB-Science
> > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 2:10 PM
> > To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
> > Cc: Newton Nguyen
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
> using
> > scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> >
> > Dear Kendra,
> >
> > Try a tactile drawing board. I use it for my work and during coursework.
> You
> > can have your lab assistant draw the graph or plot in real time.
> >
> > Here is the link:
> > https://www.aph.org/product/draftsman-tactile-drawing-board/
> >
> >
> > I hope this helps, and please let me know if you have any more questions.
> > Best,
> >
> > Newton Nguyen
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 23, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Kendra
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 01:03:36 +0000
> > From: Elizabeth Mohnke
> > To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
> > using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > Message-ID:
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hello Kendra,
> >
> > Accommodations like these depend on your skills and resources as well as
> the skills and resources of your college or university. Others have already
> given you some alternatives for creating graphs that can be handed in to
> your sighted professor. However, if you do not know how to use the
> technology they mentioned to you, or you do not have access to it, you can
> also use a reader or scribe to create graphs using pencil and paper.
> >
> > We were required to create a simple bar graph by hand in my general
> environmental biology class. However, I found that I had no trouble doing
> this using the reader who was assigned to work with me when working on lab
> assignments and other in-class activities. I know some blind students will
> pair up with another sighted classmate for this sort of thing. But I never
> found working with other sighted classmates to work well for me.
> >
> > Finally, if you are required to learn how to read and interpret graphs
> as a part of class, then I am not completely sure how receiving all your
> course materials as tables will help you accomplish this goal. It seems to
> me that tactile graphics would be a more suitable alternative as turning
> graphical information into a table may alter the assignment or course goal
> of learning how to read and interpret graphs.
> >
> > I hope you can find the best way of dealing with this graphnical
> information for your class. I feel like tactile graphics should be
> considered and discussed for any math, science, or statistics class.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> > Elizabeth
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NFB-Science [mailto:nfb-science-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
> > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 5:00 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; NFB Science
> and Engineering Division List
> > Cc: Kendra Schaber
> > Subject: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and using
> scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> >
> > Hi all!
> > I know I don?t post very often in less I run into something major. I ran
> into something major today for my environmental science class. I wasn?t
> effected during the first class period itself. When I met up with my
> science teacher after class during my lunch break, some questions came up
> that I had some idea on how to answer but was missing critical information.
> How do I go about making graphs in an environmental science class?
> According to my science teacher, he informed me that I have to actually
> turn scientific data and promptly turn it intto a graph. Since I?m blind,
> there are some major accessability problems around any graph items that
> come up in any form. I told him to use tables instead of graphs when
> sending me information electronically. But it still doesn?t answer the
> question of how to make them. I?m not just talking about the graphs that
> most see in math classes. I?m talking about things like bar graphs, pie
> graphs, exponential graphs and simular. How do you all navigate this
> problem? Also, the other query came up with scientific equipment. One
> example is microscopes. I said that my in class assistant might be able to
> look into one for me and give me the information that?s acquired only via
> looking through a microscope. There might be other tools that I don?t know
> about, however, it still leaves yet another accessability gap with us blind
> science students. So, how do I navigate scientific measuring and data
> colecting instruments? Do I only use my in class aid or will I have to
> acquire additional tools? Can I use an in class assistant until I can get
> such tools? The earlier I know this information, the better off I?ll be.
> Thank you!!!
> >
> >
> > "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown.
> > Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth
> grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is
> one of my gifts.
> > Blessed Be!
> > Kendra Schaber,
> > Student of Chemeketa Community College,
> > member of 350.ORG Salem,
> > Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol
> Chapter.
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> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 02:19:11 +0000
> > From: Louis Maher
> > To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
> > using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > Message-ID:
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Look at:
> >
> > sensational blackboards
> > 303-238-4760
> > "Sensational Books
> > P.O. Box 261085
> > Lakewood, CO 80226
> >
> > http://sensationalbooks.com/products.html
> >
> > Regards
> > Louis Maher
> > Phone: 713-444-7838
> > E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NFB-Science On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
> > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 7:23 PM
> > To: 'NFB Science and Engineering Division List'
> > Cc: redwing731 at gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
> using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> >
> > Hi all!
> > I was looking at tactile graphing boards a few weeks ago only to
> discover that there is one that APH use to sell that they don't sell any
> more. I think that particular board isn't being made any more. Do you know
> of any others that are being produced?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NFB-Science On Behalf Of Newton Nguyen via NFB-Science
> > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 2:10 PM
> > To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
> > Cc: Newton Nguyen
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
> using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> >
> > Dear Kendra,
> >
> > Try a tactile drawing board. I use it for my work and during coursework.
> You can have your lab assistant draw the graph or plot in real time.
> >
> > Here is the link:
> >
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.org%2Fproduct%2Fdraftsman-tactile-drawing-board%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf7d373d6cf04b64a64d08d740858b6b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637048814620668915&sdata=54L%2FQfLGWQEpzqPx0ubfztZWqMFCZVvmUjpqtbO5RaE%3D&reserved=0
> >
> >
> > I hope this helps, and please let me know if you have any more questions.
> > Best,
> >
> > Newton Nguyen
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 23, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Kendra
> >
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> > Message: 9
> > Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 02:20:47 +0000
> > From: Louis Maher
> > To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
> > using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > Message-ID:
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > You can also look at:
> >
> > http://www.easytactilegraphics.com/
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Louis Maher
> > Phone: 713-444-7838
> > E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NFB-Science On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
> > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 7:23 PM
> > To: 'NFB Science and Engineering Division List'
> > Cc: redwing731 at gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
> using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> >
> > Hi all!
> > I was looking at tactile graphing boards a few weeks ago only to
> discover that there is one that APH use to sell that they don't sell any
> more. I think that particular board isn't being made any more. Do you know
> of any others that are being produced?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NFB-Science On Behalf Of Newton Nguyen via NFB-Science
> > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 2:10 PM
> > To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
> > Cc: Newton Nguyen
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
> using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> >
> > Dear Kendra,
> >
> > Try a tactile drawing board. I use it for my work and during coursework.
> You can have your lab assistant draw the graph or plot in real time.
> >
> > Here is the link:
> >
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.org%2Fproduct%2Fdraftsman-tactile-drawing-board%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf7d373d6cf04b64a64d08d740858b6b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637048814620668915&sdata=54L%2FQfLGWQEpzqPx0ubfztZWqMFCZVvmUjpqtbO5RaE%3D&reserved=0
> >
> >
> > I hope this helps, and please let me know if you have any more questions.
> > Best,
> >
> > Newton Nguyen
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 23, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Kendra
> >
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> > Message: 10
> > Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 03:51:57 -0400
> > From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson"
> > To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
> > using scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> > Message-ID:
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> > APH still sells the draftsman--every one of our students has one--it is a
> > must education tool
> >
> > * Dr Denise M Robinson*
> >
> > *Denise M Robinson, TVI, PhD*
> >
> > Specialist-Technology/Blind Skills | Teacher of the Blind and Visually
> > Impaired
> > 425-220-6935 | www.yourtechvision.com
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> > [image: TechVision Logo]
> > ?Helping the visually impaired see their world changed through
> technology?
> > "While they were saying among themselves it cannot be done, it was done."
> > --Helen Keller
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 8:23 PM Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science <
> > nfb-science at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all!
> >> I was looking at tactile graphing boards a few weeks ago only to
> discover
> >> that there is one that APH use to sell that they don't sell any more. I
> >> think that particular board isn't being made any more. Do you know of
> any
> >> others that are being produced?
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NFB-Science On Behalf Of Newton
> >> Nguyen via NFB-Science
> >> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 2:10 PM
> >> To: NFB Science and Engineering Division List
> >> Cc: Newton Nguyen
> >> Subject: Re: [NFB-Science] How do I best deal with making graphs and
> using
> >> scientific instruments in my environmental science class?
> >>
> >> Dear Kendra,
> >>
> >> Try a tactile drawing board. I use it for my work and during coursework.
> >> You
> >> can have your lab assistant draw the graph or plot in real time.
> >>
> >> Here is the link:
> >> https://www.aph.org/product/draftsman-tactile-drawing-board/
> >>
> >>
> >> I hope this helps, and please let me know if you have any more
> questions.
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Newton Nguyen
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Kendra Schaber via NFB-Science
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Kendra
> >>
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