[nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 8

Mon Feb 9 01:26:29 UTC 2009

Mike aph and independent living aids bothsell the ten bead abacus like you 
mentioned.  I don't remember the actual price but it's somewhere in the $25 
range.  It's designed for someone who has limited dexterity.  73- pat kk3f
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>   1. New THOUGHT PROVOKER 142- Literacy Nightmare (Robert Newman)
>   2. abacus needed (Michael Bullis)
>   3. Re: abacus needed (Kenneth Chrane)
>   4. Re: abacus needed (Alicia Richards)
>   5. Re: abacus needed (Michael Bullis)
>   6. Re: abacus needed (Michael Bullis)
>   7. Re: abacus needed (Buddy Brannan)
>   8. Re: abacus needed (Alicia Richards)
>   9. Re: abacus needed (Cindy Handel)
>  10. Re: abacus needed (James Aldrich)
>  11. Re: abacus needed (Michael Bullis)
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> From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> Subject: [nfb-talk] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 142- Literacy Nightmare
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> RE:  Literacy Nightmare
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> Here is my newest THOUGHT PROVOKER. It asks the question - what if fully
> sighted students were treated the same as low vision students, as in not
> given the most efficient  method of reading and writing? If you have not
> read the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses and post
> them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that URL
> is- Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If you 
> wish
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> at-  newmanrl at cox.net
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> THOUGHT PROVOKER 142
> Literacy Nightmare
>
> "Give Our Children Literacy! Give Our Children Print!" chanted the crowd.
>
> "This is CNN and this is the scene outside Central Elementary School. 
> These
> parents are angry and dramatically sending their message to the teachers 
> of
> this school and to the State Department of Education." The camera's lens
> shows the front of a school.  A mass of people march back and forth  the
> length of the block, waving large labeled placards.
>
> WOMP, WOMP, WOMP! The sound of a helicopter is heard over the audio and 
> the
> view zooms up to an aerial shot.  We are looking down from a significant
> height to a view of the school's entire property, which is surrounded by a
> shoulder-to-shoulder phalanx of adults. The focus sharpens to the 
> teacher's
> parking lot, where police officers negotiate with parents blocking the
> driveway to not allow the drivers of cars penned inside to leave.
>
> The news anchor's face again fills the screen. "You've viewed the scene,
> read the placards, and heard the chants. Now walk with me into this throng
> and we will learn the specifics of what this is all about.
>
> "Miss, pardon me." The anchor thrust the microphone at a woman waving a
> placard labeled LITERACY NOW. "Could you tell our viewers what this
> demonstration is about?"
>
> "Literacy! An efficient method of reading and writing. Our children are
> being denied this right."
>
> Seeing the camera, marchers crowd in.
>
> "My daughter gets one hour of teaching per week to learn to read!"
>
> The man behind her shouts out, "The teacher who instructs my son to read 
> and
> write is not certified."
>
> A man in a business suit edges in front of the mike, "They tell us that 
> with
> the increasing development of technology, computers reading aloud to us is
> good enough.  Good enough!"
>
> The first mother grabs the mike, "In my daughter's class they turned off 
> the
> computer monitors!"
>
> "M'am, are you reporting the students are being denied seeing what is 
> being
> displayed upon the screen?" asked the shocked anchor.
>
> "Not exactly." interjected another marcher. "My daughter tells me they 
> allow
> it to be switched on, but it's out of focus. She comes home with a
> headache."
>
> A man's face fills the screen. "My son tells me, in his class they have 
> the
> font programmed to either enlarge up to a ridiculous size, forcing you to
> scroll and scroll to read, or the text is so tiny you have to stick your
> nose up to the screen like you are smelling it." With a dramatic gesture 
> he
> thrusts forward a sheath of papers. "It goes beyond the computer. Look at
> these hardcopy handouts."
>
> First showing what appears to be a worksheet, but is so light in contrast
> that its nature is questionable. The second is in very tiny print. A third
> is several pages stapled together and is in gigantic bold letters. "They
> tell us it allows our child to function in the print world. But I ask you,
> is this adequate in terms of being competitive?"
>
> Another female voice gets the anchor's attention. "Oh, and the books, too!
> They are either very large volumes that the average student refuses to use
> or they are audio!"
>
> "Miss, for the sake of the viewers who have just tuned in, could you
> clarify the major point of what your group claims is happening here?"
>
> The most efficient method of reading and writing is being withheld from 
> our
> children! They say print is becoming obsolete. Literacy for our children 
> is
> being greatly restricted and we are not going to allow it anymore."
>
> The face of the anchor again fills the screen as he gives his closing. "Is
> the strongest method for reading and writing for these children being
> systematically taken away? Is literacy being threatened here in this 
> school
> system? These parents think so and when you take away the student's
> strongest method of literacy, what do we expect will happen?  This is CNN
> action news."  And the screen faded to a last view of the angry, marching
> parents.
>
> "AAAHHH!" Marlene, a sighted teacher of blind/VI children, sat bolt 
> upright
> in bed, hand to her head. "Oh my God, that was a nightmare! Where did that
> come from?" Yesterday's memory of running into Brad, a former VI student
> came to mind. "
>
> Brad had been almost bitter when he said, "I should have learnt Braille in
> elementary school; it would have been more efficient for me than print.
> Ever think what parents of normally sighted kids would do if you didn't
> teach their children the most efficient method for reading and writing?" 
> He
> said he was learning Braille now as a college student.
>
> Marlene flashed back to the scenes in her nightmare. Surely Brad was the
> exception?  It was just a nightmare, not reality. Surely?
>
>
> Robert Leslie Newman
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> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
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>
>
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> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 15:23:44 -0500
> From: "Michael Bullis" <mabullis at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [nfb-talk] abacus needed
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> I'm looking for a ten bead abacus to help my daughter understand some math
> concepts she's having problems with.  Anyone know where I can find one?
> Can't seem to find anything online.
> Mike Bullis
>
> are cran
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> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:24:37 -0500
> From: "Kenneth Chrane" <kenneth.chrane at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] abacus needed
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> Hi Mike try The American Printing House for the Blind.
> Ken Chrane
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>> I'm looking for a ten bead abacus to help my daughter understand some 
>> math
>> concepts she's having problems with.  Anyone know where I can find one?
>> Can't seem to find anything online.
>> Mike Bullis
>>
>> are cran
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> From: "Alicia Richards" <alicia716 at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] abacus needed
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> Mike, are you talking about a Cranmer abacus, or something different?
>
> Alicia
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> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 16:56:54 -0500
> From: "Michael Bullis" <mabullis at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] abacus needed
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> Well, as I remember it, and this might not be right.  The cranmer abacus 
> is
> a five bead abacus on each wire with one bead representing five and four
> beads representing ones.
> The kind of abacus I'm looking for is a ten bead abacus--ten beads on each
> wire.  Now, I may be mixed up on that.
> Mike
>
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> Mike, are you talking about a Cranmer abacus, or something different?
>
> Alicia
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> Actually, I have found the cranmer abacus at aph as Ken suggests.  I'm
> looking for a ten bead abacus but I don't know what that's called.  I 
> think
> math makes more sense to kids when there are ten beads.  The value of the
> cranmer was in speed of use but in early learning I liked the ten bead.
> Mike
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> Mike, are you talking about a Cranmer abacus, or something different?
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> Alicia
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> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] abacus needed
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> Hi Mike,
>
> I don't know that I've ever seen a 10-bead abacus. Closest that's
> coming to mind is the Chinese one, which has five beads on the bottom
> and two on the top (like two fives. What, do the Chinese have 16
> fingers? Good for programmers who need to count in hex? I dunno.)
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 15:51:51 -0700
> From: "Alicia Richards" <alicia716 at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] abacus needed
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> No, Mike, you're not mixed up, but I've never seen an abacus like you're
> talking about.  Sorry!
>
> Alicia
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> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:05:39 -0500
> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] abacus needed
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> Mike,
>
> I used to have a Chinese abacus, which was five beads below the bar and 
> two
> above.  But, this and the Cranmer abacus are the only two types I've seen.
>
> Cindy
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> Well, as I remember it, and this might not be right.  The cranmer abacus 
> is
> a five bead abacus on each wire with one bead representing five and four
> beads representing ones.
> The kind of abacus I'm looking for is a ten bead abacus--ten beads on each
> wire.  Now, I may be mixed up on that.
> Mike
>
>
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> Mike, are you talking about a Cranmer abacus, or something different?
>
> Alicia
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> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:26:01 -0500
> From: James Aldrich <jkaldrich at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] abacus needed
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> Hello!
>
> I wonder whether one could find what is needed with a google search?
> When in a pinch as this, google usually bales me out! Just a thought
> for what it is worth!  I otherwise might have offered up one of my
> Cranmer Abacus units I rarely use!
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> Jim
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> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:31:55 -0500
> From: "Michael Bullis" <mabullis at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] abacus needed
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> Well, I went first to google and found nothing about a ten bead abacus.
> Apparently they were an artifact of a bygone day that has disappeared.
> Thanks to all for your help.  I could explain at length the value of a ten
> bead abacus and all the reasons why I'm sure the world has taken a wrong
> turn by not using them with kids.  I might even be able to develop a
> children's tutorial math program based on the ten bead abacus which I'd 
> sell
> along with a curiculum guide.  Perhaps at some point I'd do one of those
> late night tv info-mercials and sell this math tool for middle class
> families everywhere.  I could have mothers, fathers and children all 
> talking
> about how they didn't understand math until they baught the Bullis ten 
> bead.
> Laugh.  Well, anyway, all that is for another day.
>
> In the mean time, thanks to all for your help.
> Mike Bullis
>
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> Hello!
>
> I wonder whether one could find what is needed with a google search?
> When in a pinch as this, google usually bales me out! Just a thought for
> what it is worth!  I otherwise might have offered up one of my Cranmer
> Abacus units I rarely use!
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> Jim
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