[nfb-talk] Losing DVS

Wed Jan 14 23:12:29 UTC 2009

I already did talk to the management at Wisconsin Public Television.   There 
is no timeline for instituting DVS in the digital broadcast. They simply 
didn't bother to buy that equipment. Will that eventually? Maybe. Who knows?

The point I'm making is that there's a reason that DVS is considered such 
marginal technology while closed captioning is not -- it's because it's not 
*required*. If it was required, more blind people would know about it and it 
and use it. Blind people are never going to start demanding DVS if they 
don't even know what it is. And how are they going to learn what it is if 
they can't even get it? Closed captioning is part of the fabric of our 
society (for lack of a better term). DVS could be too someday if the NFB 
stops opposing it.

Look, these PBS shows are important. They help me stay connected with the 
rest of the world. Television itself, even sitcoms are important. The other 
day on NPR's "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" they compared our new Surgeon 
General, Sanjay Gupta to Dr. McDreamy. Dr. McDreamy is a character on a 
sitcom. I'm left out of the joke if I'm not listening to TV!

We are marginalizing ourselves!We're isolating ourselves. Holy cow, if 
someone tried to isolate us the way we do it ourselves I for one would be 
outraged. But if it's the NFB doing it, everyone seems to think that's fine.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS

>I think that depends on the station.  Our local PBS station does in fact
> include the SAP signal on their digital side; but not the analog.  That's 
> a
> station issue not an NFB issue.  For that kind of thing, you'll need to
> speak to the station manager.  The engineers can only do what the managers
> tell them; so, I'd approach management with this one.
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>
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> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own 
> land"
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joel Zimba" <jzimba at cavtel.net>
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>
>
> so they two of you are saying that WI Public Television is in fact
> including the DVS signal in their digital feed?
>
> Joel
>
>
> Alan Wheeler wrote:
>> Here here, I second what Ray says.
>>
>>
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>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 03:50
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>
>>
>>
>>> With all due respect, sir, you are wrong.  Before explaining why, let me
>>> suggest that you correct your own misinformation by reading all we have
>>> to
>>> say on the subject in the various Braille Monitors now available on our
>>> site.  Maybe instead of spouting off in impulsive and emotional
>>> irrational
>>> anger, you should better aquaint yourself with what we really said 
>>> first.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>
>>> "Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad 
>>> you
>>> come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own
>>> land"
>>> George Seferis
>>>
>>> Phone or Fax::
>>> +1 (985) 360-3375
>>> e-mail:
>>> rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
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>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:41 PM
>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>>
>>>
>>> As many of you probably know, DVS, Described Video Service, is available
>>> on
>>> several PBS programs. This includes Nova, The American Experience, and
>>> Nature. Over the years I've grown quite fond of these programs. There 
>>> are
>>> few entertainment programs available on the radio. It's mostly talk and
>>> music. But things designed for you to sit down and listen to for an hour
>>> are
>>> pretty rare.
>>>
>>> This is why I was dismayed to be told that Wisconsin Public Television 
>>> is
>>> not broadcasting the DVS signal in their digital broadcast. The analog
>>> signal has DVS. The digital signal does not. Now, obviously, Wisconsin
>>> Public Television bears the primary responsibility for this huge step
>>> backward. But I also place some of the blame on the NFB. No one would
>>> find
>>> it acceptable if the transition to digital television had meant that 
>>> deaf
>>> people would lose their access to closed captioning. Closed captioning
>>> has
>>> become part of the fabric of our society and everyone takes it for
>>> granted.
>>> Why isn't DVS on that same level? Because the NFB opposed it.
>>>
>>> Thanks NFB.
>>>
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