[nfb-talk] Losing DVS

John G. Heim jheim at math.wisc.edu
Thu Jan 15 20:15:03 UTC 2009


Well, as long as we're clear on this... I'm holding the NFB partially 
responsible for my losing access to DVS and you're acknowledging that they 
are partially to blame, right? Well, that's progress at least. I know you 
don't speak for the NFB but just having one other member of this list 
acknowledge the truth is progress.

Call me crazy but I don't think the NFB should do things that detract from 
the quality of life of blind people.

From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS


> Well, just because you think it should be mandatory doesn't mean it should 
> be.  Like I said, it's your *OPINION* that DVS ought to be mandatory.
>
>
> In Christ,
> Alan
>
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:42
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>
>
>> Exactly!
>>
>> The National Federation of the Blind -- note the word "blind" in the 
>> name --
>> aligned itself withTV producers to overturn a FCC regulation that would 
>> have
>> meant that I'd still have DVS.  I lost my access to DVS because the NFB
>> doesn't think it should be mandatory.
>>
>> Thanks NFB.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>
>>
>>> It's only your *OPINION* though that DVS should be mandatory.  You are
>>> just mad because the NFB doesn't share your opinion.  Let's be honest
>>> about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> In Christ,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
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>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 08:47
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>>
>>>
>>>> Every time I criticize the NFB, all you people want to do is make it
>>>> about
>>>> me. Well, as usual, I'm not going to allow that. This is not about me. 
>>>> I
>>>> am
>>>> going to discuss the issue whether you like it or not!
>>>>
>>>> I already provided a URL for a page that quotes the TV and movie
>>>> producers
>>>> using the NFB's own statements in it's legal argument.  These are
>>>> *facts*.
>>>> If you don't like them, too bad.
>>>>
>>>> The NFB made a mistake in opposing the mandate for DVS. If the mandate
>>>> had
>>>> continued, I'd have DVS on my digital broadcast today. Now, the best 
>>>> you
>>>> can
>>>> do is argue that the mandate would have been over turned regardless of
>>>> what
>>>> the NFB did. Yet the fact remains that the NFB opposed the mandate and
>>>> almost certainly contributed to it being over turned.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:48 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ray,
>>>>>
>>>>> You're wasting your breath on this score.  The party line held by some
>>>>> organizations is that we oppose DVS, and anyone who stops supporting 
>>>>> DVS
>>>>> does so because of us.  You've been baited.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 03:50:39PM -0600, Ray Foret jr wrote:
>>>>>>With all due respect, sir, you are wrong.  Before explaining why, let 
>>>>>>me
>>>>>>suggest that you correct your own misinformation by reading all we 
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>say on the subject in the various Braille Monitors now available on 
>>>>>>our
>>>>>>site.  Maybe instead of spouting off in impulsive and emotional
>>>>>>irrational
>>>>>>anger, you should better aquaint yourself with what we really said
>>>>>>first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years abroad
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your own
>>>>>>land"
>>>>>>George Seferis
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Phone or Fax::
>>>>>>+1 (985) 360-3375
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>>>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>>>barefootedray
>>>>>
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