[nfb-talk] Losing DVS

Thu Jan 15 21:42:48 UTC 2009

Fine. So let me just ask you then. Do you agree that the NFB is partially 
responsible for my losing access to DVS given that they took action to 
prevent it from being mandatory? If you do not feel the NFB is partially to 
blame for allowing Wisconsin Public Television to stop carrying the DVS 
signal, why not?

And that stuff about Homer Simpson's bowling shirt is a red herring. How in 
the world am I going to get emergency information when there's no SAP 
infrastructure? Wisconsin Public Television doesn't even own the equipment 
necessary to broadcast SAP. They can't broadcast the color of Homer 
Simpson's shirt or tornado warnings or anything else because they don't even 
own a SAP/DVS transmitter.

You know, I checked it out. You can't even buy a transmitter w/o closed 
captioning. It's not an add-on piece of equipment. It's just built into 
every digital television transmitter. Furthermore, it's built into every 
digital television receiver. You don't have to look for a particular digital 
television  or a particular digital converter box. They all have closed 
captioning. That should be how it is with SAP & DVS.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS

>I said nothing about the NFB sharing blame.  Please don't put words in my 
>mouth, or twist the words I write.  All I said is that the opinion of the 
>NFB was different from yours.  I can't control that you can't deal with the 
>fact that the NFB doesn't think like you do that the color of Homer 
>Simpson's bowling shirt is far more important than emergency information 
>like weather alerts...which ought to come *WAY* before DVS for CSI in terms 
>of importance.
>
>
> In Christ,
> Alan
>
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 02:15
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>
>
>> Well, as long as we're clear on this... I'm holding the NFB partially
>> responsible for my losing access to DVS and you're acknowledging that 
>> they
>> are partially to blame, right? Well, that's progress at least. I know you
>> don't speak for the NFB but just having one other member of this list
>> acknowledge the truth is progress.
>>
>> Call me crazy but I don't think the NFB should do things that detract 
>> from
>> the quality of life of blind people.
>>
>> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>
>>
>>> Well, just because you think it should be mandatory doesn't mean it 
>>> should
>>> be.  Like I said, it's your *OPINION* that DVS ought to be mandatory.
>>>
>>>
>>> In Christ,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> yourselves; it is the gift of God, Ephesians 2:8
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>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:42
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>>
>>>
>>>> Exactly!
>>>>
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind -- note the word "blind" in the
>>>> name --
>>>> aligned itself withTV producers to overturn a FCC regulation that would
>>>> have
>>>> meant that I'd still have DVS.  I lost my access to DVS because the NFB
>>>> doesn't think it should be mandatory.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks NFB.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:17 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It's only your *OPINION* though that DVS should be mandatory.  You are
>>>>> just mad because the NFB doesn't share your opinion.  Let's be honest
>>>>> about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In Christ,
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> +-+-+-
>>>>>
>>>>>   Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.
>>>>> Deuteronomy 6:4
>>>>> ~~~
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>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 08:47
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Every time I criticize the NFB, all you people want to do is make it
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> me. Well, as usual, I'm not going to allow that. This is not about 
>>>>>> me.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> going to discuss the issue whether you like it or not!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I already provided a URL for a page that quotes the TV and movie
>>>>>> producers
>>>>>> using the NFB's own statements in it's legal argument.  These are
>>>>>> *facts*.
>>>>>> If you don't like them, too bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The NFB made a mistake in opposing the mandate for DVS. If the 
>>>>>> mandate
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> continued, I'd have DVS on my digital broadcast today. Now, the best
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> do is argue that the mandate would have been over turned regardless 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> the NFB did. Yet the fact remains that the NFB opposed the mandate 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> almost certainly contributed to it being over turned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
>>>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:48 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ray,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're wasting your breath on this score.  The party line held by 
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> organizations is that we oppose DVS, and anyone who stops supporting
>>>>>>> DVS
>>>>>>> does so because of us.  You've been baited.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 03:50:39PM -0600, Ray Foret jr wrote:
>>>>>>>>With all due respect, sir, you are wrong.  Before explaining why, 
>>>>>>>>let
>>>>>>>>me
>>>>>>>>suggest that you correct your own misinformation by reading all we
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>say on the subject in the various Braille Monitors now available on
>>>>>>>>our
>>>>>>>>site.  Maybe instead of spouting off in impulsive and emotional
>>>>>>>>irrational
>>>>>>>>anger, you should better aquaint yourself with what we really said
>>>>>>>>first.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years 
>>>>>>>>abroad
>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your 
>>>>>>>>own
>>>>>>>>land"
>>>>>>>>George Seferis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Phone or Fax::
>>>>>>>>+1 (985) 360-3375
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>>>>>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>barefootedray
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