[nfb-talk] Losing DVS

David Andrews dandrews at visi.com
Sun Jan 18 05:09:58 UTC 2009


I am not complaining because I think they (we) are right.  You are so 
sure you are right that you can't consider that there are other 
positions -- it seems to me.

Dave

At 04:42 PM 1/16/2009, you wrote:
>I'd be thrilled if I had nothing to complain about regarding the NFB.
>
>Again, it's not my fault the NFB keeps doing things counter to the 
>best interests of blind people. If they would stop doing that, I'd 
>stop complaining.
>
>In fact, I'm wondering what's wrong with you because you're not 
>complaining. The NFB helped keep you from having audio descriptions 
>and they tried to keep you from having accessible money. Why the 
>heck aren't you complaining too?
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Wm. Ritchhart" 
><william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>
>
>>So quit your wining at us in the NFB and go change it.  You won't do
>>that, because then you will not have anything to complain to us about.
>>
>>
>>THANKS, WILLIAM
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>On Behalf Of John G. Heim
>>Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:27 AM
>>To: william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net; NFB Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>
>>The fact is that I'm making sense. You can't argue with my logic so you
>>try
>>to make it about me. Well, it's not about me. It's about the NFB doing
>>things counter to the best interests of blind people.
>>
>>The NFB's actions are partially responsible for my losing access to DVS.
>>Not
>>only is it fair for me to complain about that, it's a *good* thing. The
>>NFB
>>has to get back on track. You should take this as constructive
>>criticism.
>>The NFB is never going to improve if everyone just says that whatever it
>>
>>does is fine.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Wm. Ritchhart" 
>><william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>>To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:17 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>
>>
>>>John,
>>>
>>>Instead of wining at us, go forth and campaign for what you believe
>>you
>>>need somewhere where it can possible do you some good.  Most of us do
>>>not share your belief.  So we are not going to try to force people to
>>do
>>>what you want.
>>>
>>>You could, if you were so inclined, begin lobbying the government for
>>>what you want.  Before you claim that you cannot manage it as one
>>>person, you can align yourself with the ACB.  They are of the same
>>mind
>>>set as yourself on this issue.
>>>
>>>All your posts have done here is reinforce the belief held by most of
>>us
>>>that all you really want to do is complain about the NFB.  Take some
>>>positive action for a change and maybe we will take you more
>>seriously.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>THANKS, WILLIAM
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>On Behalf Of John G. Heim
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:43 PM
>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>>
>>>Exactly!
>>>
>>>The National Federation of the Blind -- note the word "blind" in the
>>>name --
>>>aligned itself withTV producers to overturn a FCC regulation that
>>would
>>>have
>>>meant that I'd still have DVS.  I lost my access to DVS because the
>>NFB
>>>doesn't think it should be mandatory.
>>>
>>>Thanks NFB.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:17 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>>
>>>
>>>>It's only your *OPINION* though that DVS should be mandatory.  You
>>are
>>>
>>>>just mad because the NFB doesn't share your opinion.  Let's be honest
>>>>about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>In Christ,
>>>>Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>+-+-+-
>>>>
>>>>   Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.
>>>>Deuteronomy 6:4
>>>>~~~
>>>>awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>>>IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>>>Skype: redwheel1
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 08:47
>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Every time I criticize the NFB, all you people want to do is make it
>>>>>about
>>>>>me. Well, as usual, I'm not going to allow that. This is not about
>>>me.  I
>>>>>am
>>>>>going to discuss the issue whether you like it or not!
>>>>>
>>>>>I already provided a URL for a page that quotes the TV and movie
>>>>>producers
>>>>>using the NFB's own statements in it's legal argument.  These are
>>>>>*facts*.
>>>>>If you don't like them, too bad.
>>>>>
>>>>>The NFB made a mistake in opposing the mandate for DVS. If the
>>>mandate
>>>>>had
>>>>>continued, I'd have DVS on my digital broadcast today. Now, the best
>>>you
>>>>>can
>>>>>do is argue that the mandate would have been over turned regardless
>>>of
>>>>>what
>>>>>the NFB did. Yet the fact remains that the NFB opposed the mandate
>>>and
>>>>>almost certainly contributed to it being over turned.
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" 
>>>>><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>>>To: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
>>>>><nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:48 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Losing DVS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ray,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're wasting your breath on this score.  The party line held by
>>>some
>>>>>>organizations is that we oppose DVS, and anyone who stops
>>supporting
>>>DVS
>>>>>>does so because of us.  You've been baited.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joseph
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 03:50:39PM -0600, Ray Foret jr wrote:
>>>>>>>With all due respect, sir, you are wrong.  Before explaining why,
>>>let me
>>>>>>>suggest that you correct your own misinformation by reading all we
>>>have
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>say on the subject in the various Braille Monitors now available on
>>>our
>>>>>>>site.  Maybe instead of spouting off in impulsive and emotional
>>>>>>>irrational
>>>>>>>anger, you should better aquaint yourself with what we really said
>>>>>>>first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Old friend, what are you looking for?  After those many years
>>>abroad
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>come With images you tended Under foreign skies Far away from your
>>>own
>>>>>>>land"
>>>>>>>George Seferis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Phone or Fax::
>>>>>>>+1 (985) 360-3375
>>>>>>>e-mail:
>>>>>>>rforetjratcomcastdotnet
>>>>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>>>>barefootedray
>>>>>>
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