[nfb-talk] New List for Blind Conservatives

Tue Apr 20 18:41:05 UTC 2010

But you're being honest about being closed minded and insulting.   Not 
exactly something to be proud of.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] New List for Blind Conservatives

> Just being honest.  That's all.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!!!
>
> Now a proud Mac user!!!!!
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> On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:39 AM, John G. Heim wrote:
>
>> I'd suggest that if you really want to discuss this rationally you 
>> refrain from using perjoritives like "leftist" and "socialist". The 
>> correct term is "liberal" or "progressive".
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] New List for Blind Conservatives
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>>
>>> RyanO,
>>>
>>> I must publicly applaud you for taking this very long overdue stand for 
>>> us blind conservatives.  Let me be completely frank here, at perhaps 
>>> some risk to myself.  For much too long now, I have feared that perhaps 
>>> the federation was leaning rather too far over to the left.  But why? 
>>> It's the entitlement mentality of the SSI check; to put it bluntly.  We 
>>> poor blind think we can't live without it.  But, the sad truth is, that 
>>> for many of us, that think is a physical reality.  That is the reason 
>>> why more of us don't have jobs.  We get punished for trying to start to 
>>> go to work. When we do, we don't make enough money to live by; and yet, 
>>> on the other hand, we make too much to receive any help from the 
>>> socialist security system.  What, there fore, is the sad result?  The 
>>> sad result is that too many blind individuals adopt leftist socialism 
>>> because they think that government will "look after us".  IF you just 
>>> stop and consider for a moment what that really means, you'll see that
>  i
>>> t goes directly against the grain of true federationism.  It personally 
>>> hurt me when Joanne Wilson and the rest of us were deceived by the 
>>> Republican party in or about 2005 when Secretary Spelling wanted to 
>>> dismantle blind rehab.  Frankly, I felt then and feel still that my 
>>> fellow conservatives were completely wrong on that score.  They seem to 
>>> hate political correctness; that is, until it comes to the blind.  That 
>>> turns my stomach!!!!  It sure doesn't help when any leaders of the 
>>> federation fail to reach out to conservatives because they feel more 
>>> comfortable being in bed with the socialist left.  To speak quite 
>>> candidly, I was sincerely hoping that our fight to get money to convert 
>>> over to the digital talking book program would have taught the lesson 
>>> that we cannot afford to ride the back of the tiger for fear of ending 
>>> up devoured by it. It seems, however, that this is not so.  Now look, 
>>> just so I am not misunderstood here, I personally couldn't care whether 
>>> any individ
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>>> al in the federation or on this list is a leftist, a socialist, an 
>>> extreme right wing person or what ever.  What I do care about is the 
>>> fact that so long as we do not face up to the fact that we're going to 
>>> have to figure out a better way to live for ourselves, we'll be looking 
>>> for that check every month which is supposed to assure us that we're 
>>> being looked after. I'm just wondering when enough is finally going to 
>>> be enough.  What I look forward to in this debate is not accusation 
>>> after accusation, but rather, healthy discussion about how we can rid 
>>> ourselves of the entitlement mentality and move in to something much 
>>> better for us.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!!!
>>>
>>> Now a proud Mac user!!!!!
>>>
>>> E-Mail:
>>> rforetjr at comcast dot net
>>> Skype:
>>> barefootedray
>>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:32 PM, RyanO (by way of David Andrews 
>>> <dandrews at visi.com>) wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been asked to circulate the following:
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In October, 2008, a fellow Federationist and I were asked to reach out 
>>>> to the McCain campaign in hopes of persuading a representative to come 
>>>> speak at our monthly Denver chapter meeting on the topic of disability 
>>>> issues. We already had a rep from the Obama campaign in the person of 
>>>> one of our members, who was an official Obama surrogate. After several 
>>>> days of phone tag, I was informed that the McCain camp would not be 
>>>> sending a representative to speak to us. The reason I was given was 
>>>> because, "Obama was just too far ahead on disability issues."
>>>>
>>>> I and my fellow conservative blind friends were angry and hurt. We 
>>>> tried to give both sides equal time and felt we'd been told that we 
>>>> didn't matter. To that end, I felt I had two options. The first was to 
>>>> quit being a conservative and jump ship over to the other side. The 
>>>> second option was to get more actively involved and to make our voices 
>>>> heard on all levels. Anyone who knows me knows that option one was not 
>>>> an option.
>>>>
>>>> To that end, I have created a mailing list called, Brush Fires. It is 
>>>> primarily for blind conservatives so that we may form a network of 
>>>> communication and information. Let me stress that everyone is welcome 
>>>> on this list, no matter what their political stripe may be. In the 
>>>> spirit of the Federation, I believe that healthy debate and discussion 
>>>> fosters a more vibrant society for all of its members.
>>>>
>>>> Right now, the list is announce only. If we get big enough, I plan to 
>>>> turn it into a discussion mailing list. For more information, please 
>>>> Email me at
>>>> ryano218 at comcast.net
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your time and attention.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> RyanO
>>>>
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