[nfb-talk] blind and wanting to improve things, not get labeled

[John G. Heim]

Dude, I haven't proposed spending an infinate amount of money. In fact, I 
haven't proposed *any* spending increases.  Actually, I proposed some 
decreases. I said eventually, we will have to raise the retirement age and 
institute a means test for SSI. I believe I said that twice, in fact. 
Apparently, you haven't been paying attention.

----- Original Message ----- From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
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> ssi may not be in as much trouble as medicare, but medicare is broken. And
> again, the government is rich, but not infinitely so. Isn't there any 
> limit
> in your mind John?  Borrowing from every country around the world to make
> people think they have money doesn't make the government rich.
> Now I do go left on the following: I think ssi and ssdi should be federal,
> and I think that Bush's plan to privatize social security was horrifically
> flawed.  I fought it quite vocally at the time. If the stock market isn't
> safe, why do you want to take and flush our program money in it?
> --le
>
>
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> From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
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> Well, you must have been asking the wrong people then because the answer 
> is
> quite simple. Its because the government has the money.
>
> A program like SSI could never succeed on a voluntary basis. The numbers
> just don't work out. Heck, as you are probably aware, the numbers are kind
> of questionable even with the contributions being mandatory. SSI is going 
> to
> have a problem in a few years because there will be too many recipients 
> per
> contributor. That problem would be much, much worse if SSI contributions
> weren't mandatory.
>
> Personally, I'm not too worried about the SSI trust fund running out of
> money. Some changes will have to be made but they're not really 
> particularly
> tough choices. The only reason we don't do them today is that senior
> citizens have too much political clout in the USA. But eventually, we'll
> have to face reality and raise the age of eligibility and put a means test
> on SSI.
>
> Anyway, if you're looking for an answer to the question of why SSI has to 
> be
> a government program, there it is. Its because only the government can 
> pass
> a law requiring people to contribute.
>
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> From: "RyanO" <ryano218 at comcast.net>
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>> Chuck, I don't know you of course, but based on your comments, I'm 
>> tempted
>> to think that you don't receive social security or Medicare benefits. I
>> and many of my friends can relate horror story after horror story
>> involving the bureaucracy and ineptness of various government programs.
>> I've asked many liberals in amicable debates why they believe that the
>> government is better able to provide assistance than the private sector. 
>> I
>> ask on a historical, efficiency and motivational basis. At the end of the
>> arguments, though many platitudes come across, I've never received a 
>> solid
>> answer.
>>
>>
>> RyanO
>>
>>
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