[nfb-talk] blind and wanting to improve things, not get labeled

T. Joseph Carter carter.tjoseph at gmail.com
Mon Apr 26 00:50:57 UTC 2010


The current crop of bozos have passed a pay-go rule that requires 
them to fund all legislation.

Every bill since the enactment of the rule has first gone through a 
vote to suspend the rule so they did not actually have to pay for it, 
even though they claim credit for passing the rule and cite it as an 
example of their commitment to bringing down deficit spending.  
That's right.  Every. Single. Bill.

In fact, they demonized the one guy who objected to the suspension of 
the rule, one time.  And neither Republican nor Democrat stood with 
him and insisted that the rule be followed.

This is why Social Security WILL fail, and why a bunch of blind 
people are going to suddenly have a really hard time paying the rent.  
They ought to know what's happening, and they ought to be demanding 
an accounting from their elected leaders.  Failure to do so will only 
hurt those of us who depend on these services.

Joseph

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:59:03PM -0700, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>And we must not forget that
>Social Security would not be in the unfunded position that it is in 
>had the trust fund not been raided to cover other government 
>expenditures as it has been raided many times over the past years.
>Chuck
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>>According to the US Debt Clock (privately run and woefully 
>>inaccessible), the current total US liability per person is in the 
>>neighborhood of $350,634.  If you spread the wealth evenly, the 
>>total US national assets (public and private), per person, are only 
>>$234,237.  That means if you follow the current doctrine of soak 
>>the rich and make sure nobody has any more than everyone else gets, 
>>every single man, woman, and child in these United States would 
>>still owe a total of $116,377.
>>
>>I've got no idea how much of that is owed to other countries like 
>>China and how much of that is owed to Grandma (the largest unfunded 
>>liability of the government is Social Security), but there you have 
>>it.  If everything we own, all of our land and possessions are 
>>taken as payment of the national debt, we all still owe something 
>>in the neighborhood of the value of my family's house, pre-housing 
>>debacle.
>>
>>The government has no money to pay squat.  One of these days, 
>>Social Security is going to not get paid because our debtors are 
>>going to start demanding a return on their investment.  That's 
>>basic Economics 101.  WHEN that happens, not if, people looking for 
>>the government to pay their bills are going to be screwed.
>>
>>Ask the teachers in California how well they can spend IOUs.  In 
>>time, that'll be readers' SSI and SSDI checks.  The alternatives 
>>are a complete and immediate collapse of the dollar or 
>>Zimbabwe-style inflation.  Scary stuff.
>>
>>You cannot spend money indefinitely without the ability or desire 
>>to pay. If you and I do that, we will at least destroy our credit 
>>rating or at worse go to jail for fraud.  The Weasel Caucus (which 
>>seems to be the only thing bi-partisan in DC anymore) is doing the 
>>same and has been apparently since before I was born.  They 
>>probably won't face any real consequences for it.
>>
>>We will, sooner or later.  And it's gonna hit certain populations 
>>(like blind people collecting SSI and SSDI for example) a whole lot 
>>harder than it's going to hit political fat cats who quibble over 
>>which model of Gulf Stream Jet they are forced to fly in.
>>
>>If the media wants to see real anger in the streets, wait till 
>>people figure out just how screwed we really are, courtesy of a 
>>whole bunch of fat elephants and complete donkeys, who will have 
>>moved their not inconsiderable assets to safety long before it 
>>happens.
>>
>>Ready to vote them all out,
>>
>>Joseph
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:43:03PM -0500, David Andrews wrote:
>>>Well, the government probably has more money, and can provide 
>>>things in a more even-handed regular way.  Yes, there are 
>>>problems with administering government programs -- but private 
>>>ones too.  Who hasn't had billing problems with an insurance 
>>>company, a phone company, a a bank or a credit card company.  Any 
>>>large system that tries to make everybody, and everything the 
>>>same is going to have these kinds of problems.  If you think the 
>>>government has a monopoly on the bad stuff, or that the private 
>>>sector could administer a large program without mistakes, fraud 
>>>and the rest of it is just thinking selectively to make a point.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>At 11:43 PM 4/22/2010, you wrote:
>>>>Chuck, I don't know you of course, but based on your comments, 
>>>>I'm tempted to think that you don't receive social security or 
>>>>Medicare benefits. I and many of my friends can relate horror 
>>>>story after horror story involving the bureaucracy and 
>>>>ineptness of various government programs. I've asked many 
>>>>liberals in amicable debates why they believe that the 
>>>>government is better able to provide assistance than the 
>>>>private sector. I ask on a historical, efficiency and 
>>>>motivational basis. At the end of the arguments, though many 
>>>>platitudes come across, I've never received a solid answer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>RyanO
>>>
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