[nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] New List for Blind Conservatives

Sarah Baughn sarahb006 at comcast.net
Thu Apr 29 16:35:19 UTC 2010


You go girl!!!
Sarah
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] New List for Blind Conservatives


> John, you mentioned in one of your emails Satyagraha.  Well, everyone 
> likes
> Gandhi.  He was a great figure.  Another great leader, whose name is so
> obvious as to not need spelling out, recommended giving, and doing so in
> private as well as public.
> What I'm saying is that whatever your background, you haven't the 
> slightest
> idea what people give to, public or private.
> You have picked a single organization that you are bashing people for not
> being involved -- at least not obviously.  I think if you give to this
> organization, then great, but there are a million other ways to improve 
> the
> community besides this one organization.
> So lay off the bashing and listen for a while.
> You can't hear when your mouth is open.
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] New List for Blind Conservatives
>
>
> I'm not saying you folks aren't being honest. I think you honestly believe
> you'd donate to this fund if you could. But things look different when you
> actually have to contribute. When I was in college, I thought 
> conservatives
> were just a bunch of cheap old codgers who didn't like paying taxes. Then 
> i
> got a job and had to start paying taxes myself. One year, my property 
> taxes
> went up by almost exactly the same amount as my raise. I netted a $24
> increase in income that year. I found myself complaining about taxes like
> one of those cheap old codgers.
>
> I still think you people would look at this whole fund idea totally
> differently if you actually were in a position to contribute. If you can't
> donate money, what are you willing to donate? How about time? Surely you
> have time. Why don't you put your time where your mouth is and get started
> on this fund idea? I made a totally serious offer regarding a way you can
> get started. Start lining up pledges to the International Association of
> Visually Impaired Technologists and we'll hire someone of your choice
> (assuming they are qualified) to maintain our web site.
>
> Heck, if you don't trust me, that's fine. I'm sure the NFB would accept
> donations with the stipulation that they be used to hire someone currently
> on SSI or SSDI. Get going lineing up donations for the cause.
>
> I've given you a perfectly reasonable way to prove that you're not all hat
> and no cattle.  In my opinion, this is whats wrong with the conservative
> movement today -- its nothing more than a lot of people standing around
> complaining. Well, what are you going to do about it?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] New List for Blind Conservatives
>
>
>>I would contribute to such a fund, anything that I could.  But then, I 
>>know
>>where this Social Security thing is going, and a lot of blind people are
>>going to be in a world of hurt when it gets there, as I have said
>>elsewhere.
>>
>> (So wish me success, I'm hunting for new employment!)
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:15:15PM -0700, Sarah Baughn wrote:
>>>As a matter of fact, I know Ray well enough to know that if he had enough
>>>financial resources, he would contribute to this fund.  Now you're making
>>>assumptions about a person you don't even know, assumptions without any
>>>basis in fact.
>>>Sarah
>>>If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this
>>>mountain: "Remove hence to yonder place.", and it shall remove, and
>>>nothing shall be impossible unto you.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:31 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] New List for Blind Conservatives
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ray suggested that employed blind people start a fund to get unemployed
>>>>blind people off SSI. But I think that if Ray had to contribute to this
>>>>fund of his, he'd look at it a little differently. I don't think he'd
>>>>think it was such a good idea if he had to put his own money into it.
>>>>
>>>>In my opinion, its irresponsible to volunteer someone else to solve a
>>>>problem and not in keeping with the conservative spirit.  Besides, Ray
>>>>has time, doesn't he? There's more to organizing a program to get people
>>>>off SSI than contributing money. He could contribute his time.
>>>>
>>>>There are plenty of NGOs out there dedicated to helping blind people 
>>>>find
>>>>and keep jobs that could use some volunteer time. Heck, I run one 
>>>>myself.
>>>>When I saw the need for an association of blind technologists, I didn't
>>>>say someone should start something like that. No, I went out and started
>>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>PS: I haven't attacked anybody. You conservatives all seem to have these
>>>>firmly held opinions and seem to have no problem expressing them in the
>>>>most blunt terms. But if anybody should challenge those opinions, you
>>>>think its an attack.  Well, its not.
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Baughn" 
>>>><sarahb006 at comcast.net>
>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:18 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] New List for Blind Conservatives
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Because right now, speaking as his girlfriend, he doesn't have the
>>>>>resources.  Sorry babe, but these attacks on you are irking me.
>>>>>Sarah
>>>>>If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this
>>>>>mountain: "Remove hence to yonder place.", and it shall remove, and
>>>>>nothing shall be impossible unto you.
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:57 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] New List for Blind Conservatives
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>First of all, I didn't misrepresent anything. I responded to what you
>>>>>>said. If you meant that SSI should be eliminated only after other
>>>>>>programs were in place, you should have said that. Don't blame me for
>>>>>>your own lack of clarity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As far as your plan goes, I say go ahead. Get started. Why don't you,
>>>>>>Ray Ford, get someone off SSI by paying them to work for you? Or maybe
>>>>>>you could set them up in a business of their own. What's stopping you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr"
>>>>>><rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:14 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] New List for Blind Conservatives
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In an effort to meet you half way, I want to reiterate something.
>>>>>>>Yes, I said we need to eliminate SSI and social security.  But, and
>>>>>>>this is very important, not before we have other systems in place.
>>>>>>>Let me repeat myself.  Just because I said that does not mean that I
>>>>>>>believe that we should not help those who truly need it.  This has
>>>>>>>been how we are misrepresented in the press ETC.  Okay.  I'll take 
>>>>>>>one
>>>>>>>thing you said and actually agree with you; rare but true.  YOu said,
>>>>>>>"Let's see the conservatives come up with some ideas".  Fair enough.
>>>>>>>My own idea would be the establishment of a finatial pool from which
>>>>>>>money could be drawn to help the truly needy.  Where would this money
>>>>>>>come from?  The blind who are not on SSI or social security would
>>>>>>>contribute to this fund; which, would perhaps be held in trust by the
>>>>>>>NFB.  This would take some time; but, as funds accumulated, you would
>>>>>>>begin to be able to slowly draw off blind people from SSI by 
>>>>>>>providing
>>>>>>>them jobs through direct
>>>>>>> networking.  It would have to start with one blind person who is no
>>>>>>> longer on SSI or social security willing to jump start the process.
>>>>>>> From there, it would move to the first person being helped.  That
>>>>>>> person would then be able, through the efforts of the first, to
>>>>>>> obtain a secure position and then, when he himself is secure, help
>>>>>>> the third. Okay, it's not perfect; but, it's a start isn't it? 
>>>>>>> Seems
>>>>>>> our only other choice is a most unpleasant one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now a proud Mac user!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>e-mail:
>>>>>>>rforetjr at comcast dot net
>>>>>>>skype:
>>>>>>>barefootedray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:46 AM, John G. Heim wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well, it would probably be worthwhile to discuss whether SSI and 
>>>>>>>>SSDI
>>>>>>>>represent needs or wants just to get that out of the way. But I 
>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>see how anyone could say these programs are not needed. I'd like to
>>>>>>>>see conservatives come up with some alternatives. Would they rather
>>>>>>>>have blind people begging in the streets?  It seems to me that
>>>>>>>>conservatives want to roll the clock back to the bad old days when
>>>>>>>>blind people sold pencils on the street corner.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson"
>>>>>>>><steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>>>>>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:50 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] New List for Blind Conservatives
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Stepping back and examining our points of view makes a lot of sense
>>>>>>>>>to me and it is something I try to do often.
>>>>>>>>>Actually, one element of Ray's comments that fits into this notion
>>>>>>>>>is that we do need to look at what we ask of society to
>>>>>>>>>figure out what we need as opposed to what we want.  I further
>>>>>>>>>believe we need to think about the cost of what we
>>>>>>>>>might request society and what the benefits are to us and to
>>>>>>>>>society. These seem like reasonable questions that should
>>>>>>>>>not be seen as conservative or liberal.  Still, if this is even 
>>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>Ray is saying, I find it very hard to believe that our
>>>>>>>>>overall status, the 70% unemployed for example, is related to a
>>>>>>>>>sense of entitlement.  As we make progress, we do need
>>>>>>>>>to be prepared to consider that some benefits of various types are
>>>>>>>>>no longer needed.   However, we have some pretty
>>>>>>>>>large obstacles to overcome before we get there.  Labeling us as
>>>>>>>>>having a sense of entitlement that overshadows the
>>>>>>>>>other barriers we encounter really does not recognize reality.  To
>>>>>>>>>extreme conservatives and to extreme liberals, life is
>>>>>>>>>just a theory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Steve Jacobson
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:04:22 -0500, John G. Heim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Its almost impossible to find anyone actually interested in
>>>>>>>>>>discussing
>>>>>>>>>>liberal vs conservative issues in a rational manner. People should
>>>>>>>>>>occasionally take a step back and examine their point of view. Far
>>>>>>>>>>too many
>>>>>>>>>>people make up their minds and then start casting around for
>>>>>>>>>>reasons to
>>>>>>>>>>believe what they've already decided.  That's a recipe for
>>>>>>>>>>disaster. That's
>>>>>>>>>>how mistakes are made.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I am actually planning to write a book about this. I'm thinking of
>>>>>>>>>>calling
>>>>>>>>>>it "Recipe For Wrongness". Almost everyone believes in freedom of
>>>>>>>>>>speech.
>>>>>>>>>>And most people even understand why its so important. Its not just
>>>>>>>>>>because
>>>>>>>>>>we all enjoy it. The reason why freedom of speech is so important
>>>>>>>>>>is that it
>>>>>>>>>>allows the best ideas to win out. Ideas can compete against each
>>>>>>>>>>other in a
>>>>>>>>>>society with free speech and most of the time, the best idea wins.
>>>>>>>>>>Its
>>>>>>>>>>called the market place of ideas.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>But very few people apply the concept of the market place of ideas
>>>>>>>>>>to their
>>>>>>>>>>own opinions.  Its just not even something that occurs to most
>>>>>>>>>>people to do.
>>>>>>>>>>Most people make up their minds ahead of time and then start
>>>>>>>>>>casting about
>>>>>>>>>>for information to support what they already believe.  And that is
>>>>>>>>>>a recipe
>>>>>>>>>>for wrongness.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If you start occasionally sitting back and examining what you
>>>>>>>>>>believe, you
>>>>>>>>>>will find its an incredibly valuable tool. It even made me a 
>>>>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>>>chess
>>>>>>>>>>player. I was in a round-robin chess tournament and lost almost 
>>>>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>>>>of my
>>>>>>>>>>matches until I started sitting back occasionally and trying to 
>>>>>>>>>>get
>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>realistic overview of the board and my opponent. What are my
>>>>>>>>>>opponent's
>>>>>>>>>>strengths and weaknesses?Does he see any advantages I might not
>>>>>>>>>>see? Is he
>>>>>>>>>>missing any vulnerabilities he currently has? What's going on in 
>>>>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>opponent's head? From then on, I won almost every match. It was
>>>>>>>>>>like magic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The real message in the chess tournament story is not the
>>>>>>>>>>importance of
>>>>>>>>>>trying to look into your opponents mind. The real insight there is
>>>>>>>>>>how few
>>>>>>>>>>people do it. Its not just that a lot of people are crummy chess
>>>>>>>>>>players.
>>>>>>>>>>Its that it would be so easy to be so much better.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Once you start thinking this way, you see opportunities to use it
>>>>>>>>>>everywhere. Instead of just bulling ahead with your political
>>>>>>>>>>opinions, take
>>>>>>>>>>a step back occasionally and consider whether they're working or
>>>>>>>>>>not. Do
>>>>>>>>>>they actually make sense? Does history support or dispute my
>>>>>>>>>>beliefs? Do I
>>>>>>>>>>believe what I believe because I want to or because of the facts?
>>>>>>>>>>If more
>>>>>>>>>>people did this, they'd be right a lot more often and the world
>>>>>>>>>>would be a
>>>>>>>>>>better place.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hingson"
>>>>>>>>>><info at michaelhingson.com>
>>>>>>>>>>To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:45 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] New List for Blind 
>>>>>>>>>>Conservatives
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Leftist, liberal, socialist, and progressive as well as
>>>>>>>>>>conservative and
>>>>>>>>>>"right wing" are words.  The fact is that these words have been
>>>>>>>>>>used to
>>>>>>>>>>inflame and are not necessarily true or fair.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In our country today we are seeing a war of words escalate into
>>>>>>>>>>anger and
>>>>>>>>>>downright polarization on a scale we have never seen before.  I 
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>others
>>>>>>>>>>survived the attack at the World Trade Center and Pentagon to see
>>>>>>>>>>our
>>>>>>>>>>potential to grow stronger be negated and even see our resolve
>>>>>>>>>>disintegrate
>>>>>>>>>>along party lines.  Folks, it matters not our political leanings.
>>>>>>>>>>Knock off
>>>>>>>>>>the words and find ways to come together.  Stop calling each other
>>>>>>>>>>names and
>>>>>>>>>>recognize that we all have a job to do.  In the case of the NFB it
>>>>>>>>>>is to
>>>>>>>>>>promote the security, equality, and opportunity which all blind
>>>>>>>>>>Americans
>>>>>>>>>>should have.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Mike Hingson
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
>>>>>>>>>>"Speaking with Vision"
>>>>>>>>>>Michael Hingson, President
>>>>>>>>>>(415) 827-4084
>>>>>>>>>>info at michaelhingson.com
>>>>>>>>>>www.michaelhingson.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
>>>>>>>>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>[mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:16 AM
>>>>>>>>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] New List for Blind Conservatives
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Just being honest.  That's all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Now a proud Mac user!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>E-Mail:
>>>>>>>>>>rforetjr at comcast dot net
>>>>>>>>>>Skype:
>>>>>>>>>>barefootedray
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:39 AM, John G. Heim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I'd suggest that if you really want to discuss this rationally 
>>>>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>refrain
>>>>>>>>>>from using perjoritives like "leftist" and "socialist". The 
>>>>>>>>>>correct
>>>>>>>>>>term is
>>>>>>>>>>"liberal" or "progressive".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret jr"
>>>>>>>>>>><rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] New List for Blind Conservatives
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>RyanO,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I must publicly applaud you for taking this very long overdue
>>>>>>>>>>>>stand for
>>>>>>>>>>us blind conservatives.  Let me be completely frank here, at
>>>>>>>>>>perhaps some
>>>>>>>>>>risk to myself.  For much too long now, I have feared that perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>federation was leaning rather too far over to the left.  But why?
>>>>>>>>>>It's the
>>>>>>>>>>entitlement mentality of the SSI check; to put it bluntly.  We 
>>>>>>>>>>poor
>>>>>>>>>>blind
>>>>>>>>>>think we can't live without it.  But, the sad truth is, that for
>>>>>>>>>>many of us,
>>>>>>>>>>that think is a physical reality.  That is the reason why more of
>>>>>>>>>>us don't
>>>>>>>>>>have jobs.  We get punished for trying to start to go to work. 
>>>>>>>>>>When
>>>>>>>>>>we do,
>>>>>>>>>>we don't make enough money to live by; and yet, on the other hand,
>>>>>>>>>>we make
>>>>>>>>>>too much to receive any help from the socialist security system.
>>>>>>>>>>What,
>>>>>>>>>>there fore, is the sad result?  The sad result is that too many
>>>>>>>>>>blind
>>>>>>>>>>individuals adopt leftist socialism because they think that
>>>>>>>>>>government will
>>>>>>>>>>"look after us".  IF you just stop and consider for a moment what
>>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>really means, you'll see that i
>>>>>>>>>>>>t goes directly against the grain of true federationism.  It
>>>>>>>>>>>>personally
>>>>>>>>>>hurt me when Joanne Wilson and the rest of us were deceived by the
>>>>>>>>>>Republican party in or about 2005 when Secretary Spelling wanted 
>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>dismantle blind rehab.  Frankly, I felt then and feel still that 
>>>>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>fellow
>>>>>>>>>>conservatives were completely wrong on that score.  They seem to
>>>>>>>>>>hate
>>>>>>>>>>political correctness; that is, until it comes to the blind.  That
>>>>>>>>>>turns my
>>>>>>>>>>stomach!!!!  It sure doesn't help when any leaders of the
>>>>>>>>>>federation fail to
>>>>>>>>>>reach out to conservatives because they feel more comfortable 
>>>>>>>>>>being
>>>>>>>>>>in bed
>>>>>>>>>>with the socialist left.  To speak quite candidly, I was sincerely
>>>>>>>>>>hoping
>>>>>>>>>>that our fight to get money to convert over to the digital talking
>>>>>>>>>>book
>>>>>>>>>>program would have taught the lesson that we cannot afford to ride
>>>>>>>>>>the back
>>>>>>>>>>of the tiger for fear of ending up devoured by it. It seems,
>>>>>>>>>>however, that
>>>>>>>>>>this is not so.  Now look, just so I am not misunderstood here, I
>>>>>>>>>>personally
>>>>>>>>>>couldn't care whether any individu
>>>>>>>>>>>>al in the federation or on this list is a leftist, a socialist,
>>>>>>>>>>>>an
>>>>>>>>>>extreme right wing person or what ever.  What I do care about is
>>>>>>>>>>the fact
>>>>>>>>>>that so long as we do not face up to the fact that we're going to
>>>>>>>>>>have to
>>>>>>>>>>figure out a better way to live for ourselves, we'll be looking 
>>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>check every month which is supposed to assure us that we're being
>>>>>>>>>>looked
>>>>>>>>>>after. I'm just wondering when enough is finally going to be
>>>>>>>>>>enough. What I
>>>>>>>>>>look forward to in this debate is not accusation after accusation,
>>>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>rather, healthy discussion about how we can rid ourselves of the
>>>>>>>>>>entitlement
>>>>>>>>>>mentality and move in to something much better for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Now a proud Mac user!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>E-Mail:
>>>>>>>>>>>>rforetjr at comcast dot net
>>>>>>>>>>>>Skype:
>>>>>>>>>>>>barefootedray
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:32 PM, RyanO (by way of David Andrews
>>>>>>>>>><dandrews at visi.com>) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been asked to circulate the following:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In October, 2008, a fellow Federationist and I were asked to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>reach out
>>>>>>>>>>to the McCain campaign in hopes of persuading a representative to
>>>>>>>>>>come speak
>>>>>>>>>>at our monthly Denver chapter meeting on the topic of disability
>>>>>>>>>>issues. We
>>>>>>>>>>already had a rep from the Obama campaign in the person of one of
>>>>>>>>>>our
>>>>>>>>>>members, who was an official Obama surrogate. After several days 
>>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>phone
>>>>>>>>>>tag, I was informed that the McCain camp would not be sending a
>>>>>>>>>>representative to speak to us. The reason I was given was because,
>>>>>>>>>>"Obama
>>>>>>>>>>was just too far ahead on disability issues."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I and my fellow conservative blind friends were angry and hurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>We tried
>>>>>>>>>>to give both sides equal time and felt we'd been told that we
>>>>>>>>>>didn't matter.
>>>>>>>>>>To that end, I felt I had two options. The first was to quit being
>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>conservative and jump ship over to the other side. The second
>>>>>>>>>>option was to
>>>>>>>>>>get more actively involved and to make our voices heard on all
>>>>>>>>>>levels.
>>>>>>>>>>Anyone who knows me knows that option one was not an option.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>To that end, I have created a mailing list called, Brush Fires.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is
>>>>>>>>>>primarily for blind conservatives so that we may form a network of
>>>>>>>>>>communication and information. Let me stress that everyone is
>>>>>>>>>>welcome on
>>>>>>>>>>this list, no matter what their political stripe may be. In the
>>>>>>>>>>spirit of
>>>>>>>>>>the Federation, I believe that healthy debate and discussion
>>>>>>>>>>fosters a more
>>>>>>>>>>vibrant society for all of its members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Right now, the list is announce only. If we get big enough, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>plan to
>>>>>>>>>>turn it into a discussion mailing list. For more information,
>>>>>>>>>>please Email
>>>>>>>>>>me at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>ryano218 at comcast.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thank you for your time and attention.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>RyanO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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