[nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

David Andrews dandrews at visi.com
Sat Dec 4 22:08:14 UTC 2010


OK everybody let's not make this personal.  Discuss the facts, not 
your opinion of somebody else, or their motives!

David Andrews, Moderator

At 11:36 PM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
>Hey, it aint personal.  How come you gotta take it 
>personally?  What's the matter?  Can't stand truly independant blind 
>people?  I see it all the time.  The dependant blind call the 
>independant blind "super blinks".  Why?  Well, my own idea about 
>that is that they are jealous of what we have and are; but, instead 
>of bettering themselves, they get mad.
>
>tisk tisk tisk.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
>Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>
>Skype Name:
>barefootedray
>
>On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>
> > put up some $$ cuz they say bs walks!
> > i'm tired of people talking smack and telling other people they 
> are full of sh$$ about various topics.
> > i have been going to professional nhra drag races for 20 years 
> and the teams do rebuild an alcohol or nitro motor in about 30 
> minutes after each run.
> >
> > Jay Blake owns the follow a dream alcohol funny car and he is 
> completely capable of working on the motor but not at the same pace 
> as sighted mechanics on race day and has the sense to accept that 
> instead of being a weak link.
> >
> > Bryan Schulz
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >
> >
> >> Got news for you bro.  There's no way it takes just thirty 
> minutes. You've heard of editing right?
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >>
> >> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> >>
> >> Skype Name:
> >> barefootedray
> >>
> >> On Dec 3, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
> >>
> >>> don't play the pity card bro!
> >>> i'm just telling people what happens in the real world outside 
> of the nfb bubble.
> >>> did you understand it's the pace and not the ability?
> >>> the man's race team completely rebuilds a  motor in 30 minutes.
> >>> i would love to see the blind man actually spinning the air gun 
> and working on the motor on race day but he has realized that the 
> team has more success when he stays out of the way and let his 
> employees perform the rebuild.
> >>>
> >>> Bryan Schulz
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
> >>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:11 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> And what would you propose?  Leaving things the way they 
> are?  Don't you think there are any blind people actually involved 
> in the building of their own homes?  Could it be that you don't 
> think we do much of anything? Oh, of course.  Sit in rocking chairs 
> and listen to our state provided reading radio service.  Yeah, 
> that's the life for sure.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sincerely,
> >>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >>>>
> >>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> >>>>
> >>>> Skype Name:
> >>>> barefootedray
> >>>>
> >>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> wishful thinking...
> >>>>> people here have no clue what happens in the one week build.
> >>>>> a relative worked on one and there were all kind of 
> worksmanship f-ups and people running everywhere.
> >>>>> you really think a blind guy is going to carry sheets of 
> drywall with material and tools all over the site without falling?
> >>>>> you don't get the pace.  just like there is a blind guy who 
> owns a racing team but doesn't do the actual repair during race day 
> due to the time limits.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bryan Schulz
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode" 
> <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
> >>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:43 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Ray, that is an absolutely awesome idea.  Now if we can 
> implement it, people would certainly get a different perspective on 
> what blind people are really like.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Connie Canode
> >>>>>> At 11:43 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
> >>>>>>> YOu know Peter, I was just kind of thinking.  I know of 
> only one way to stop this.  What we need to do is get some 
> independent and competent blind people on the make over crew.  Once 
> we do that, maybe they'll get the idea.  Barring that, maybe we 
> ought to have some competent blind people at least helping out on a 
> make-over project; since I'm sure they wouldn't let us officially 
> be part of what I presume bills itself as a professional make-over crew.
> >>>>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Skype Name:
> >>>>>>> barefootedray
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> > Hello John and everyone,
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >    If you take the time to read the message I sent concerning an
> >>>>>>> experience
> >>>>>>> > we had when looking for an apartment last spring you'd 
> understand > why >  > the
> >>>>>>> > red flags are flying. If Extreme Make-Over Home Edition continues
> >>>>>>> to portray
> >>>>>>> > us as helpless unable to live on our own without major
> >>>>>>> modifications to the
> >>>>>>> > home environment or a presumed dependency on a million 
> gadgets > > > incidents
> >>>>>>> > like the one I described in my message earlier this morning will
> >>>>>>> continue to
> >>>>>>> > happen to blind people seeking housing. While we can't 
> prove that > the
> >>>>>>> > manager at that apartment complex was influenced by an episode of
> >>>>>>> this show
> >>>>>>> > where a blind person or a couple were featured if this TV network
> >>>>>>> continues
> >>>>>>> > to cast us as unable to manage our own home they'll certainly be
> >>>>>>> suspect in
> >>>>>>> > my book.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Peter Donahue
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> > From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
> >>>>>>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:40 AM
> >>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Well, I'd presume because you don't make a lot of money 
> as a > > disability
> >>>>>>> > advocate.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> > From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
> >>>>>>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:40 PM
> >>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >> I feel the same way.  First question that came to 
> find...If these >>  >> >> people
> >>>>>>> >> are
> >>>>>>> >> so fantastic and can motivate everyone to get past 
> their >> >> disabilities, >> and
> >>>>>>> >> they have learned so much in the four years they've been 
> blind, >> why >>  >> can't
> >>>>>>> >> they maintain their house so it isn't falling down around them?
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> Cindy
> >>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> >> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
> >>>>>>> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:16 PM
> >>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> I hate to be this way, but, how come I'm already 
> skepticle? >> Anyone >>  >> care
> >>>>>>> >> to
> >>>>>>> >> guess why?
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> Sincerely,
> >>>>>>> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> Skype Name:
> >>>>>>> >> barefootedray
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Ryan O wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> >>> Q From: Mary Watkins
> >>>>>>> >>> To: MAG_News at mail4.wgbh.org
> >>>>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:06 PM
> >>>>>>> >>> Subject: WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning 
> into ABC'S >>>  >>> >>> "Extreme
> >>>>>>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S 
> "Extreme >>>  >>> >>> Makeover:
> >>>>>>> >>> Home Edition"
> >>>>>>> >>> on Sunday, December 5 (8-9pm, EST)
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> The Media Access Group at WGBH encourages all those interested in
> >>>>>>> >>> inclusive
> >>>>>>> >>> technology for people who are blind or have low vision 
> to tune >>> into
> >>>>>>> >>> "Extreme
> >>>>>>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" this Sunday evening, December 
> 5. While we >>>  >>>  >>> can't
> >>>>>>> >>> provide any specific information on what will be seen 
> and heard >>> (it >>>  >>> would
> >>>>>>> >>> spoil the surprise!), the episode promises to create much greater
> >>>>>>> >>> awareness
> >>>>>>> >>> of the services and products now available for people 
> who have >>>  >>> >>> limited or
> >>>>>>> >>> no
> >>>>>>> >>> sight.
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> Here is the information the production company has 
> released in >>>  >>> >>> advance
> >>>>>>> >>> about
> >>>>>>> >>> this episode:
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> The "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" team has selected 
> the >>> Anderson
> >>>>>>> >>> Family
> >>>>>>> >>> in Cleveland, Ohio. The family of four answered the 
> call to >>> action >>>  >>> when
> >>>>>>> >>> they
> >>>>>>> >>> inspired the community to heighten their awareness of 
> the >>> obstacles
> >>>>>>> >>> facing
> >>>>>>> >>> the disabled in their community. Diving headlong into 
> their work, >>>  >>>  >>> Andre
> >>>>>>> >>> and
> >>>>>>> >>> Jasmine have dedicated their time to supporting and 
> counseling >>> the
> >>>>>>> >>> disabled
> >>>>>>> >>> by connecting them with resources to help them live and lead more
> >>>>>>> >>> independent lives. The Andersons have proven to be the 
> definitive >>>  >>>  >>> role
> >>>>>>> >>> models as they themselves lost their sight 4 years ago.
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> Empowered by their own obstacles, Andre and Jasmine 
> have never >>> let
> >>>>>>> >>> anything
> >>>>>>> >>> slow them down. Together they have teamed to complete 
> grad >>> school, >>>  >>> run a
> >>>>>>> >>> center for people with disabilities, created a support 
> group, and >>>  >>> all
> >>>>>>> >>> while
> >>>>>>> >>> balancing life at home with their 2 boys (one of whom is hearing
> >>>>>>> >>> impaired).
> >>>>>>> >>> Despite having lost their sight after their sons, 
> Jasison and >>> >>> Jahzion
> >>>>>>> >>> were
> >>>>>>> >>> born, Andre and Jasmine have rallied back and have embraced their
> >>>>>>> >>> reality.
> >>>>>>> >>> While they continue to empower their community, the 
> family has >>> hit >>> a
> >>>>>>> >>> rough
> >>>>>>> >>> patch. Their home is falling apart around them and it has become
> >>>>>>> >>> complicated
> >>>>>>> >>> and hazardous for them to live in especially in the 
> face of how >>>  >>> their
> >>>>>>> >>> needs
> >>>>>>> >>> continue to grow.
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> On September 29th the Andersons will have some changes 
> in sight >>>  >>> when >>> Ty
> >>>>>>> >>> Pennington, designers Michael Maloney, Tracy Huston, 
> and Xzibit >>>  >>> >>> deliver a
> >>>>>>> >>> "Smart House" in just 7 days. Local builders Marous 
> Brothers >>> >>>  >>> Construction
> >>>>>>> >>> and community volunteers will rebuild the structure and 
> give them >>>  >>> the >>> key
> >>>>>>> >>> to
> >>>>>>> >>> live above and beyond their wildest dreams. The 
> Andersons will >>>  >>> >>> vacation
> >>>>>>> >>> in
> >>>>>>> >>> Crested Butte, Colorado.
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> About "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition"
> >>>>>>> >>> The Emmy-award winning reality program "Extreme 
> Makeover: Home >>>  >>> >>> Edition,"
> >>>>>>> >>> now
> >>>>>>> >>> in its 8th season, is produced by Endemol USA, a 
> division of >>> >>> Endemol
> >>>>>>> >>> Holding. It's executive-produced Brady Connell and 
> George >>> >>> Verschoor.
> >>>>>>> >>> David
> >>>>>>> >>> Goldberg is Chairman, Endemol North America. The show 
> airs >>> Sundays >>>  >>> from
> >>>>>>> >>> 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET on ABC.
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> About the Media Access Group at WGBH
> >>>>>>> >>> The Media Access Group at WGBH, which includes a 
> Services >>> division >>>  >>> and a
> >>>>>>> >>> research and development division--the Carl and Ruth 
> Shapiro >>> Family
> >>>>>>> >>> National
> >>>>>>> >>> Center for Accessible Media--has pioneered and 
> delivered >>> captioned >>>  >>> and
> >>>>>>> >>> described media for nearly four decades to people in their homes,
> >>>>>>> >>> classrooms, at work and in the community. And the Media 
> Access >>>  >>> Group
> >>>>>>> >>> continues to develop new solutions to access challenges 
> as >>> >>>  >>> technology,
> >>>>>>> >>> and
> >>>>>>> >>> the way we all consume media, evolve. Members of the 
> group's >>> >>>  >>> collective
> >>>>>>> >>> staff represent the leading experts in their fields and 
> their >>> >>> success >>> is
> >>>>>>> >>> exemplified by a history of accomplishments and 
> continuous >>> growth, >>>  >>> the
> >>>>>>> >>> integration of innovative products and services into 
> society at >>>  >>> >>> large,
> >>>>>>> >>> and
> >>>>>>> >>> the enthusiastic support of the audiences served, 
> including 36 >>>  >>> >>> million
> >>>>>>> >>> people who are deaf, hard of hearing, blind or have low 
> vision. >>>  >>> More
> >>>>>>> >>> information about the Media Access Group at WGBH can be found at:
> >>>>>>> >>> http://access.wgbh.org.
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> Contact:
> >>>>>>> >>> Mary Watkins
> >>>>>>> >>> mary_watkins at wgbh.org
> >>>>>>> >>> 617 300-3700
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> RyanO





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