[nfb-talk] Blind Doctors and Christmas Lights

Judy Jones jtj1 at cableone.net
Sat Dec 4 22:20:06 UTC 2010


So true!!  Ours is up.

Judy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:51 AM
Subject: [nfb-talk] Blind Doctors and Christmas Lights


> Hello again Connie and everyone,
>
>    A blind doctor spoke at this year's national convention. You can find
> his presentation in the Audio-Video Center" on our Web site at:
> http://www.nfb.org
>
>    There are several profiles of successful blind individuals doing 
> various
> jobs who presented at the 2008, 2009, and 2010 national conventions up 
> there
> for the listening and learning from.
>
>    And while we're talking about what blind people can and can't do has
> anyone put up their Christmas decorations yet. We've put up over 1000
> miniature lights on the front of our townhome and will be doing the inside
> and the back over the next few days. I can't wait to see our Frasier Fir
> Tree all a glow tonight. I'll be lighting it up later today. Blindness 
> need
> not stop you from lighting up for the holidays.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Constance Canode" <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>
>
> Yes, there are blind doctors.  I know one personally.  He is not a
> surgeon, but he is a psychiatrist, and in order to get through
> medical school and residency, he had to study and work in many
> different facets of medicine.  Blind people work in many different
> medical fields...nurses, physical and occupational therapists,
> psychologists and psychiatrists and many other occupations and do it
> quite well.  However, getting through to you is like trying to move a
> mountain with a broken shovel, so I quit.
>
> Connie Canode
> At 11:08 AM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
>>not the exact connection.
>>does a hospital hire a blind surgeon and a person to tell him what
>>he is about to slice?
>>no, and i don't know how the guy 30 years ago talked the employer
>>into hiring another to do everything for him.
>>
>>Bryan Schulz
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
>><satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:43 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>
>>
>>>What about this parallel.  Do you think that Senators and congress
>>>people do not have assistants.  And what about lawyers.  Do you
>>>think that paralegals are not assisting them?  Even doctors have
>>>assistants.
>>>
>>>Connie Canode
>>>At 10:34 AM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
>>>>so you also will not possibly accept that the blind builder will
>>>>take more time to do the same task at the same skill.
>>>>
>>>>how about this parallel, i know a man who worked for state govt
>>>>for 30 years and had an assistant the whole time.
>>>>what boss in this era would hire two people to do the same job as one
>>>>could?
>>>>
>>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:18 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Brian,
>>>>>
>>>>>Why do you believe that a blind carpenter cannot perform as well as a
>>>>>sighted one?  Why do you assume that it will naturally take more time
>>>>>and
>>>>>have more waste?  You're refusing to see that a blind person can do the
>>>>>job
>>>>>equally as well as a sighted person, given the training and experience.
>>>>>It
>>>>>really seems that you believe blindness necessarily means inferiority.
>>>>>It
>>>>>doesn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cindy
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Schulz"
>>>>><b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:58 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>everyone doesn't get the speed point.
>>>>>how much extra time did it take him compared to same skill of a sighted
>>>>>builder and how much material had to be recut?
>>>>>
>>>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
>>>>><satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 9:32 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>We have a very close friend, totally blind who can do just about
>>>>>>anything.
>>>>>>He repairs cars, he remodeled his basement, rebuilding the steps, and
>>>>>>recently built us a porch on the back of our house.  He built a
>>>>>>beautiful
>>>>>>deck on his own house and did it single-handedly.  He does electrical
>>>>>>work, plumbing and just about anything else you can name.  I wish my
>>>>>>husband could do what he can do.  It would have saved us a ton of 
>>>>>>money
>>>>>>years ago before I knew him.  Of course we paid for the porch, but
>>>>>>since
>>>>>>he is a friend, we made a good deal.  Never under-estimate the ability
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>a competent blind person.  With the right tools and knowledge, you can
>>>>>>do
>>>>>>whatever you choose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Connie Canode
>>>>>>At 09:13 AM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>>>Brian,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Get a life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gloria Whipple
>>>>>>>Corresponding Secretary
>>>>>>>Inland Empire chapter
>>>>>>>nfb of WA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>cell number: 509-475-4993
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>>>[mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>On
>>>>>>>Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:11 PM
>>>>>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And what would you propose?  Leaving things the way they are?  Don't
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>think there are any blind people actually involved in the building of
>>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>own homes?  Could it be that you don't think we do much of anything?
>>>>>>>Oh,
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>course.  Sit in rocking chairs and listen to our state provided
>>>>>>>reading
>>>>>>>radio service.  Yeah, that's the life for sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Skype Name:
>>>>>>>barefootedray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > wishful thinking...
>>>>>>> > people here have no clue what happens in the one week build.
>>>>>>> > a relative worked on one and there were all kind of
>>>>>>> worksmanship > f-ups
>>>>>>> > and
>>>>>>>people running everywhere.
>>>>>>> > you really think a blind guy is going to carry sheets of
>>>>>>> drywall > with
>>>>>>>material and tools all over the site without falling?
>>>>>>> > you don't get the pace.  just like there is a blind guy who owns a
>>>>>>> > racing
>>>>>>>team but doesn't do the actual repair during race day due to the time
>>>>>>>limits.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
>>>>>>><satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:43 PM
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> Ray, that is an absolutely awesome idea.  Now if we can
>>>>>>> implement >> it,
>>>>>>>people would certainly get a different perspective on what blind
>>>>>>>people
>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>really like.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Connie Canode
>>>>>>> >> At 11:43 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> YOu know Peter, I was just kind of thinking.  I know of
>>>>>>> only one >>> way
>>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>>>stop this.  What we need to do is get some independent and
>>>>>>>competent blind
>>>>>>>people on the make over crew.  Once we do that, maybe they'll get the
>>>>>>>idea.
>>>>>>>Barring that, maybe we ought to have some competent blind people at
>>>>>>>least
>>>>>>>helping out on a make-over project; since I'm sure they wouldn't let
>>>>>>>us
>>>>>>>officially be part of what I presume bills itself as a professional
>>>>>>>make-over crew.
>>>>>>> >>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>> >>> barefootedray
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> > Hello John and everyone,
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> >    If you take the time to read the message I sent concerning
>>>>>>> >>> > an
>>>>>>> >>> experience
>>>>>>> >>> > we had when looking for an apartment last spring
>>>>>>> you'd >>> > understand
>>>>>>> >>> > why
>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>> >>> > red flags are flying. If Extreme Make-Over Home
>>>>>>> Edition >>> > continues
>>>>>>> >>> to portray
>>>>>>> >>> > us as helpless unable to live on our own without major
>>>>>>> >>> modifications to the
>>>>>>> >>> > home environment or a presumed dependency on a million gadgets
>>>>>>> >>> >  >
>>>>>>>incidents
>>>>>>> >>> > like the one I described in my message earlier this morning
>>>>>>> >>> > will
>>>>>>> >>> continue to
>>>>>>> >>> > happen to blind people seeking housing. While we can't
>>>>>>> prove >>> > that
>>>>>>> >>> > the
>>>>>>> >>> > manager at that apartment complex was influenced by an
>>>>>>> episode >>> > of
>>>>>>> >>> this show
>>>>>>> >>> > where a blind person or a couple were featured if this
>>>>>>> TV >>> > network
>>>>>>> >>> continues
>>>>>>> >>> > to cast us as unable to manage our own home they'll certainly
>>>>>>> >>> > be
>>>>>>> >>> suspect in
>>>>>>> >>> > my book.
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> > Peter Donahue
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >>> > From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
>>>>>>> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> >>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:40 AM
>>>>>>> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> > Well, I'd presume because you don't make a lot of money as a
>>>>>>>disability
>>>>>>> >>> > advocate.
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >>> > From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:40 PM
>>>>>>> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> >> I feel the same way.  First question that came to
>>>>>>> find...If >>> >> these
>>>>>>> >>> >>  >>
>>>>>>>people
>>>>>>> >>> >> are
>>>>>>> >>> >> so fantastic and can motivate everyone to get past their
>>>>>>>disabilities, >> and
>>>>>>> >>> >> they have learned so much in the four years they've been
>>>>>>> >>> >> blind,
>>>>>>> >>> >> why
>>>>>>> >> can't
>>>>>>> >>> >> they maintain their house so it isn't falling down around
>>>>>>> >>> >> them?
>>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> >> Cindy
>>>>>>> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >>> >> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>> >>> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>>>>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> >> I hate to be this way, but, how come I'm already skepticle?
>>>>>>> >>> >> Anyone
>>>>>>> >> care
>>>>>>> >>> >> to
>>>>>>> >>> >> guess why?
>>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> >> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> >>> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> >> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> >> Skype Name:
>>>>>>> >>> >> barefootedray
>>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> >> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Ryan O wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Q From: Mary Watkins
>>>>>>> >>> >>> To: MAG_News at mail4.wgbh.org
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:06 PM
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Subject: WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning
>>>>>>> into >>> >>> ABC'S
>>>>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>>>>>"Extreme
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5
>>>>>>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> >>> WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into
>>>>>>> ABC'S >>> >>> "Extreme
>>>>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>>>>>Makeover:
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Home Edition"
>>>>>>> >>> >>> on Sunday, December 5 (8-9pm, EST)
>>>>>>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> >>> The Media Access Group at WGBH encourages all those
>>>>>>>interested >>> >>> in
>>>>>>> >>> >>> inclusive
>>>>>>> >>> >>> technology for people who are blind or have low vision to
>>>>>>> >>> >>> tune
>>>>>>> >>> >>> into
>>>>>>> >>> >>> "Extreme
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" this Sunday evening, December 5.
>>>>>>>While >>> >>> we
>>>>>>> >>> can't
>>>>>>> >>> >>> provide any specific information on what will be seen
>>>>>>> and >>> >>> heard
>>>>>>> >>> >>> (it
>>>>>>> >>> would
>>>>>>> >>> >>> spoil the surprise!), the episode promises to create
>>>>>>>much >>> >>> greater
>>>>>>> >>> >>> awareness
>>>>>>> >>> >>> of the services and products now available for people who
>>>>>>> >>> >>> have
>>>>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>>>>>limited or
>>>>>>> >>> >>> no
>>>>>>> >>> >>> sight.
>>>>>>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Here is the information the production company has released
>>>>>>> >>> >>> in
>>>>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>>>>>advance
>>>>>>> >>> >>> about
>>>>>>> >>> >>> this episode:
>>>>>>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> >>> The "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" team has selected the
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Anderson
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Family
>>>>>>> >>> >>> in Cleveland, Ohio. The family of four answered the call to
>>>>>>> >>> >>> action
>>>>>>> >>> when
>>>>>>> >>> >>> they
>>>>>>> >>> >>> inspired the community to heighten their awareness of the
>>>>>>> >>> >>> obstacles
>>>>>>> >>> >>> facing
>>>>>>> >>> >>> the disabled in their community. Diving headlong into
>>>>>>>their >>> >>> work,
>>>>>>> >>> Andre
>>>>>>> >>> >>> and
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Jasmine have dedicated their time to supporting and
>>>>>>> >>> >>> counseling
>>>>>>> >>> >>> the
>>>>>>> >>> >>> disabled
>>>>>>> >>> >>> by connecting them with resources to help them live and
>>>>>>>lead >>> >>> more
>>>>>>> >>> >>> independent lives. The Andersons have proven to be
>>>>>>>the >>> >>> definitive
>>>>>>> >>> role
>>>>>>> >>> >>> models as they themselves lost their sight 4 years ago.
>>>>>>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Empowered by their own obstacles, Andre and Jasmine have
>>>>>>> >>> >>> never
>>>>>>> >>> >>> let
>>>>>>> >>> >>> anything
>>>>>>> >>> >>> slow them down. Together they have teamed to complete grad
>>>>>>> >>> >>> school,
>>>>>>> >>> run a
>>>>>>> >>> >>> center for people with disabilities, created a support
>>>>>>>group, >>> >>> and
>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>> >>> >>> while
>>>>>>> >>> >>> balancing life at home with their 2 boys (one of whom
>>>>>>> is >>> >>> hearing
>>>>>>> >>> >>> impaired).
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Despite having lost their sight after their sons, Jasison 
>>>>>>> >>> >>> and
>>>>>>>Jahzion
>>>>>>> >>> >>> were
>>>>>>> >>> >>> born, Andre and Jasmine have rallied back and have
>>>>>>>embraced >>> >>> their
>>>>>>> >>> >>> reality.
>>>>>>> >>> >>> While they continue to empower their community, the family
>>>>>>> >>> >>> has
>>>>>>> >>> >>> hit a
>>>>>>> >>> >>> rough
>>>>>>> >>> >>> patch. Their home is falling apart around them and it
>>>>>>> has >>> >>> become
>>>>>>> >>> >>> complicated
>>>>>>> >>> >>> and hazardous for them to live in especially in the
>>>>>>> face of >>> >>> how
>>>>>>>their
>>>>>>> >>> >>> needs
>>>>>>> >>> >>> continue to grow.
>>>>>>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> >>> On September 29th the Andersons will have some changes
>>>>>>> in >>> >>> sight
>>>>>>> >>> >>> when
>>>>>>> >>> Ty
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Pennington, designers Michael Maloney, Tracy Huston,
>>>>>>> and >>> >>> Xzibit
>>>>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>>>>>deliver a
>>>>>>> >>> >>> "Smart House" in just 7 days. Local builders Marous
>>>>>>> Brothers >>> >>>  >>>
>>>>>>>Construction
>>>>>>> >>> >>> and community volunteers will rebuild the structure and
>>>>>>>give >>> >>> them
>>>>>>>the >>> key
>>>>>>> >>> >>> to
>>>>>>> >>> >>> live above and beyond their wildest dreams. The Andersons
>>>>>>> >>> >>> will
>>>>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>>>>>vacation
>>>>>>> >>> >>> in
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Crested Butte, Colorado.
>>>>>>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> >>> About "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition"
>>>>>>> >>> >>> The Emmy-award winning reality program "Extreme Makeover:
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Home
>>>>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>>>>>Edition,"
>>>>>>> >>> >>> now
>>>>>>> >>> >>> in its 8th season, is produced by Endemol USA, a division of
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Endemol
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Holding. It's executive-produced Brady Connell and George
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Verschoor.
>>>>>>> >>> >>> David
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Goldberg is Chairman, Endemol North America. The show airs
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Sundays
>>>>>>> >>> from
>>>>>>> >>> >>> 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET on ABC.
>>>>>>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> >>> About the Media Access Group at WGBH
>>>>>>> >>> >>> The Media Access Group at WGBH, which includes a Services
>>>>>>> >>> >>> division
>>>>>>> >>> and a
>>>>>>> >>> >>> research and development division--the Carl and Ruth Shapiro
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Family
>>>>>>> >>> >>> National
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Center for Accessible Media--has pioneered and delivered
>>>>>>> >>> >>> captioned
>>>>>>> >>> and
>>>>>>> >>> >>> described media for nearly four decades to people in
>>>>>>>their >>> >>> homes,
>>>>>>> >>> >>> classrooms, at work and in the community. And the Media
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Access
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Group
>>>>>>> >>> >>> continues to develop new solutions to access challenges as
>>>>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>>>>>technology,
>>>>>>> >>> >>> and
>>>>>>> >>> >>> the way we all consume media, evolve. Members of the
>>>>>>> group's >>> >>>  >>>
>>>>>>>collective
>>>>>>> >>> >>> staff represent the leading experts in their fields and 
>>>>>>> >>> >>> their
>>>>>>>success >>> is
>>>>>>> >>> >>> exemplified by a history of accomplishments and continuous
>>>>>>> >>> >>> growth,
>>>>>>> >>> the
>>>>>>> >>> >>> integration of innovative products and services into
>>>>>>> society >>> >>> at
>>>>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>>>>>large,
>>>>>>> >>> >>> and
>>>>>>> >>> >>> the enthusiastic support of the audiences served, including
>>>>>>> >>> >>> 36
>>>>>>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>>>>>>million
>>>>>>> >>> >>> people who are deaf, hard of hearing, blind or have
>>>>>>> low >>> >>> vision.
>>>>>>> >>> >>> More
>>>>>>> >>> >>> information about the Media Access Group at WGBH can be
>>>>>>>found >>> >>> at:
>>>>>>> >>> >>> http://access.wgbh.org.
>>>>>>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Contact:
>>>>>>> >>> >>> Mary Watkins
>>>>>>> >>> >>> mary_watkins at wgbh.org
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