[nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

Sun Dec 5 17:29:40 UTC 2010

Well, the one thing about hiring blind workers for the show...Other than the 
personalities you see on the show, the workers are always different.  They 
go to a certain area and recruit a local construction company to do the 
work.  I know this because a good friend works for a company who was asked 
to do a makeover in Maryland, about a year ago.  The show provides food and 
a little publicity for the company doing the work.  But, the company 
provides all the materials and labor.  No, they're not paid by the show for 
that.  So, unless a blind guy is fortunate to be working for a construction 
company who is chosen to do a makeover, and that company accepts the offer 
and is willing to provide the materials and labor, then I don't know how a 
blind guy can get on the show.

Cindy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

On behalf of Brian, he never sais the occupation of carpenter is not
worth trying. He said the TV show would be unwilling to hire blind
workers for their show. He might be right about that unless they did
it as a token jesture.

On Dec 4, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Joe Orozco wrote:

> Bryan,
>
> I think blind people have to be willing to start somewhere.  Does it
> take
> more time at first?  Certainly.  People have not denied this, but your
> rhetoric would make us believe that the initial extra time makes the
> occupation not even worth considering.  The only way anyone ever
> gets good
> at anything is through time and practice, and if people never try to
> start
> somewhere, the would-be employers will never be willing to give
> people a
> chance.  If I may ask, what field do you work in, and how difficult
> was it
> for you to instill confidence in your employers to give you a fair
> shake?
> I'm not challenging you as much as hoping to help you see that we
> should not
> lay out blanket statements that might otherwise discourage people from
> pursuing their chosen line of work the same way you would not have
> wanted
> others to discourage you from your chosen field.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
> sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 11:30 AM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>
> don't know what you are talking about but seems like there are
> far more that
> don't want to accept the fact that alternative techniques to
> accomplish the
> same task as a sighted builder will take more time.
>
> Bryan Schulz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gloria Whipple" <fairyfoot at webband.com>
> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>
>
>> He is just like the other one we talked about on the phone.
>>
>> They don't want to admit the truth.
>>
>>
>> Gloria Whipple
>> Corresponding Secretary
>> Inland Empire chapter
>> nfb of WA
>>
>> cell number: 509-475-4993
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 8:05 AM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>
>> Maybe it's you who doesn't get our point.  I feel like I
> would make more
>> progress convencing a brick wall.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>
>>> everyone doesn't get the speed point.
>>> how much extra time did it take him compared to same skill
> of a sighted
>> builder and how much material had to be recut?
>>>
>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
>> <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 9:32 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>
>>>
>>>> We have a very close friend, totally blind who can do just about
>> anything. He repairs cars, he remodeled his basement, rebuilding the
>> steps,
>> and recently built us a porch on the back of our house.  He built a
>> beautiful deck on his own house and did it single-handedly.  He does
>> electrical work, plumbing and just about anything else you
> can name.  I
>> wish
>> my husband could do what he can do.  It would have saved us a
> ton of money
>> years ago before I knew him.  Of course we paid for the
> porch, but since
>> he
>> is a friend, we made a good deal.  Never under-estimate the
> ability of a
>> competent blind person.  With the right tools and knowledge,
> you can do
>> whatever you choose.
>>>>
>>>> Connie Canode
>>>> At 09:13 AM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
>>>>> Brian,
>>>>>
>>>>> Get a life.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gloria Whipple
>>>>> Corresponding Secretary
>>>>> Inland Empire chapter
>>>>> nfb of WA
>>>>>
>>>>> cell number: 509-475-4993
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:11 PM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>
>>>>> And what would you propose?  Leaving things the way they
> are?  Don't
>>>>> you
>>>>> think there are any blind people actually involved in the
> building of
>> their
>>>>> own homes?  Could it be that you don't think we do much of
> anything?
>> Oh, of
>>>>> course.  Sit in rocking chairs and listen to our state
> provided reading
>>>>> radio service.  Yeah, that's the life for sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> wishful thinking...
>>>>>> people here have no clue what happens in the one week build.
>>>>>> a relative worked on one and there were all kind of worksmanship
>>>>>> f-ups
>>> and
>>>>> people running everywhere.
>>>>>> you really think a blind guy is going to carry sheets of
> drywall with
>>>>> material and tools all over the site without falling?
>>>>>> you don't get the pace.  just like there is a blind guy
> who owns a >
>> racing
>>>>> team but doesn't do the actual repair during race day due
> to the time
>>>>> limits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
>>>>> <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:43 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ray, that is an absolutely awesome idea.  Now if we can
> implement
>>>>>>> it,
>>>>> people would certainly get a different perspective on what
> blind people
>> are
>>>>> really like.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Connie Canode
>>>>>>> At 11:43 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> YOu know Peter, I was just kind of thinking.  I know
> of only one
>>>>>>>> way
>>>>> to
>>>>> stop this.  What we need to do is get some independent and
> competent
>> blind
>>>>> people on the make over crew.  Once we do that, maybe
> they'll get the
>> idea.
>>>>> Barring that, maybe we ought to have some competent blind people
>>>>> at
>> least
>>>>> helping out on a make-over project; since I'm sure they
> wouldn't let us
>>>>> officially be part of what I presume bills itself as a
>>>>> professional
>>>>> make-over crew.
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello John and everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   If you take the time to read the message I sent
> concerning an
>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>> we had when looking for an apartment last spring
> you'd understand
>>>>>> why
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> red flags are flying. If Extreme Make-Over Home
> Edition continues
>>>>>>>> to portray
>>>>>>>>> us as helpless unable to live on our own without major
>>>>>>>> modifications to the
>>>>>>>>> home environment or a presumed dependency on a
> million gadgets >
>>>>> incidents
>>>>>>>>> like the one I described in my message earlier this
> morning will
>>>>>>>> continue to
>>>>>>>>> happen to blind people seeking housing. While we
> can't prove that
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> manager at that apartment complex was influenced by
> an episode of
>>>>>>>> this show
>>>>>>>>> where a blind person or a couple were featured if
> this TV network
>>>>>>>> continues
>>>>>>>>> to cast us as unable to manage our own home they'll
> certainly be
>>>>>>>> suspect in
>>>>>>>>> my book.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:40 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, I'd presume because you don't make a lot of money as a
>>>>> disability
>>>>>>>>> advocate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:40 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I feel the same way.  First question that came to find...If
>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> so fantastic and can motivate everyone to get past their
>>>>> disabilities, >> and
>>>>>>>>>> they have learned so much in the four years they've
> been blind,
>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>> they maintain their house so it isn't falling down
> around them?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I hate to be this way, but, how come I'm already
> skepticle? >>>
>>>> Anyone
>>>>>>> care
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> guess why?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Ryan O wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> Q From: Mary Watkins
>>>>>>>>>>> To: MAG_News at mail4.wgbh.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:06 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages
> Tuning into ABC'S
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> "Extreme
>>>>>>>>>>> Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into
> ABC'S "Extreme
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Makeover:
>>>>>>>>>>> Home Edition"
>>>>>>>>>>> on Sunday, December 5 (8-9pm, EST)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Media Access Group at WGBH encourages all
> those interested
>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> inclusive
>>>>>>>>>>> technology for people who are blind or have low
> vision to tune
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>> "Extreme
>>>>>>>>>>> Makeover: Home Edition" this Sunday evening,
> December 5. While
>> we
>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>> provide any specific information on what will be
> seen and heard
>>>>>>>> (it
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> spoil the surprise!), the episode promises to create much
>> greater
>>>>>>>>>>> awareness
>>>>>>>>>>> of the services and products now available for
> people who have
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> limited or
>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>> sight.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the information the production company has
> released in
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> advance
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> this episode:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" team has
> selected the >>>
>>>>> Anderson
>>>>>>>>>>> Family
>>>>>>>>>>> in Cleveland, Ohio. The family of four answered
> the call to >>>
>>>>> action
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> inspired the community to heighten their awareness
> of the >>>
>>>>> obstacles
>>>>>>>>>>> facing
>>>>>>>>>>> the disabled in their community. Diving headlong into their
>> work,
>>>>>>>> Andre
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> Jasmine have dedicated their time to supporting
> and counseling
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> disabled
>>>>>>>>>>> by connecting them with resources to help them
> live and lead
>> more
>>>>>>>>>>> independent lives. The Andersons have proven to be the
>> definitive
>>>>>>>> role
>>>>>>>>>>> models as they themselves lost their sight 4 years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Empowered by their own obstacles, Andre and
> Jasmine have never
>>>>>>>> let
>>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>>> slow them down. Together they have teamed to
> complete grad >>>
>>>>> school,
>>>>>>>> run a
>>>>>>>>>>> center for people with disabilities, created a
> support group,
>> and
>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>> balancing life at home with their 2 boys (one of whom is
>>>>>>>>>>> hearing
>>>>>>>>>>> impaired).
>>>>>>>>>>> Despite having lost their sight after their sons,
> Jasison and
>>>>> Jahzion
>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>> born, Andre and Jasmine have rallied back and have embraced
>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>>>>>>> While they continue to empower their community,
> the family has
>>>>>>>> hit a
>>>>>>>>>>> rough
>>>>>>>>>>> patch. Their home is falling apart around them and it has
>>>>>>>>>>> become
>>>>>>>>>>> complicated
>>>>>>>>>>> and hazardous for them to live in especially in
> the face of how
>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>>>>> continue to grow.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On September 29th the Andersons will have some
> changes in sight
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> Ty
>>>>>>>>>>> Pennington, designers Michael Maloney, Tracy
> Huston, and Xzibit
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> deliver a
>>>>>>>>>>> "Smart House" in just 7 days. Local builders
> Marous Brothers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Construction
>>>>>>>>>>> and community volunteers will rebuild the
> structure and give
>> them
>>>>> the >>> key
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> live above and beyond their wildest dreams. The
> Andersons will
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> vacation
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> Crested Butte, Colorado.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> About "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition"
>>>>>>>>>>> The Emmy-award winning reality program "Extreme
> Makeover: Home
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Edition,"
>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>> in its 8th season, is produced by Endemol USA, a
> division of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Endemol
>>>>>>>>>>> Holding. It's executive-produced Brady Connell and
> George >>>
>>>>> Verschoor.
>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>> Goldberg is Chairman, Endemol North America. The
> show airs >>>
>>>>> Sundays
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET on ABC.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> About the Media Access Group at WGBH
>>>>>>>>>>> The Media Access Group at WGBH, which includes a
> Services >>>
>>>>> division
>>>>>>>> and a
>>>>>>>>>>> research and development division--the Carl and
> Ruth Shapiro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Family
>>>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>>> Center for Accessible Media--has pioneered and
> delivered >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> captioned
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> described media for nearly four decades to people in their
>> homes,
>>>>>>>>>>> classrooms, at work and in the community. And the
> Media Access
>>>>>>>> Group
>>>>>>>>>>> continues to develop new solutions to access
> challenges as >>>
>>>>> technology,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> the way we all consume media, evolve. Members of
> the group's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> collective
>>>>>>>>>>> staff represent the leading experts in their
> fields and their
>>>>> success >>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> exemplified by a history of accomplishments and
> continuous >>>
>>>>> growth,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> integration of innovative products and services
> into society at
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> large,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> the enthusiastic support of the audiences served,
> including 36
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> million
>>>>>>>>>>> people who are deaf, hard of hearing, blind or
> have low vision.
>>>>>>>> More
>>>>>>>>>>> information about the Media Access Group at WGBH
> can be found
>> at:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://access.wgbh.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Contact:
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