[nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] Here We GoAgain: Home Makeover-blindcouple in OH

[Michael Hingson]

All,

If you go back into the archives of this list you also will see that the NFB
position has changed.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Wm. Ritchhart
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 11:55 AM
To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] Here We GoAgain: Home
Makeover-blindcouple in OH

John,

It has changed.  I have not been attending conventions in the past few
years.  However I do remember a convention round up and/or resolutions list
where it did change.  

Thanks, William


-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of John Heim
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] Here We GoAgain: Home
Makeover-blindcouple in OH

David, I'm not "baiting" you with anything. I'm stating cold, hard  
facts. I would be only too happy if the NFB had changed its position  
on accessible signals. Has it? If you have information in that regard,  
I'd be only too happy to hear it.



On Dec 10, 2010, at 11:11 PM, David Andrews wrote:

> John:
>
> It seems to me that you sometimes take what individuals say and act  
> like this is official NFB policy.  Just because somebody says it  
> here -- it doesn't necessarily mean that this our official policy.   
> I agree that some people may not realize or understand that our  
> position has shifted, and is more nuanced than anyone is admitting.
>
> You keep beating us with a nine year old protest -- give it up.
>
> David Andrews
>
> At 08:53 AM 12/10/2010, you wrote:
>> I am pretty sure that I never said the NFB was against accessible  
>> pedestrian signals in all circumstances.  In fact, I think this  
>> only proves my point. When I tell you that the NFB organized  
>> protests against the Access Board recommendations on accessible  
>> signals and the they said they make blind pedestrians less safe,  
>> you heard "against them". But that's not what I said.
>>
>> I've been trying to make a point about the NFB's position on  
>> accessible signals for a couple of years now and I really don't  
>> think that its not getting through because of the way I'm putting  
>> it. I have 2 very specific complaints with the NFB's position on  
>> accessible signals. first is that They organized protests against  
>> the Access Board recommendations in 2001. Secondly, they have been  
>> saying that accessible signals make blind pedestrians less safe.  
>> I've provided links to Braille Monitor articles supporting thos  
>> claims.
>>
>> You can see the effect of these actions as well as I can. There are  
>> a lot of myths about audible signals and almost universal  
>> opposition to them on this list. If the NFB's position is that it  
>> favors accessible signals under certain circumstances, its lost on  
>> many of the members of this list.
>
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