[nfb-talk] Tragedy in Denver
Michael Hingson
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Sun Dec 19 04:09:32 UTC 2010
All,
The NFB is not going to fix everything we encounter. I think the
reaction here was to the idea that we should make bus stops safer. Safer
for whom? Blind people? Why if not also for sighted persons? Safer for
all? I suspect that the present bus stop arrangements were thought out by
engineers, city personnel and even consumers. True, blind people were
probably not a major consideration, but stops should be made safer for all
if they are unsafe.
I suspect that there are ways to make bus stops more safe, but also the
vehicles are a big part of the problem. Here is a thought. The NFB is
working to make a car available which blind persons can drive. Certainly
part of that car will include collision avoidance technology which may have
even kept the vehicle further away from the curb in the first. Said
technology may not have permitted the car to be going as fast as it was.
The bottom line is, who knows what will be come down the road as it were?
The automobile industry is working to make safer vehicles and traffic
engineers are working to make roads and sidewalks including bus stops safer
for all. I appreciate all the sentiments expressed here, but in the final
analysis what happened was not a blindness issue. We really need to take
this discussion to a wider arena and not our lists since in one way or
another we are preaching to the quire. Someone mentioned earlier this
morning that bloggers were making this a blindness issue. What blogs?
Anyone got addresses? Please share specifics and then let's all go visit
the blogs and tell the real story about what it means to be blind.
Merry Christmas,
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-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:40 PM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Tragedy in Denver
Now now, we are not regecting you personally, just the idea of making bus
stops safer. Yes, it's true that saying "sorry" won't bring Dave back; but,
neither will fixing every bus stop in the country for maximum safety. The
only way you can do that is just stay home and not go anywhere. That's the
only point we're all trying to make.
Besides, like Dave Andrews said a few days ago, the policy of the NFB is not
determined on this or any other lists; rather, it's determined at our
national conventions. No need to take it so personally.
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
Skype Name:
barefootedray
On Dec 18, 2010, at 9:35 PM, d m gina wrote:
> yes with two busy streets rushing at the same time if you will, having a
quiet car would never be heard.
> Interesting question.
> Well since all disagree with me, I have better things to do with my time
than to worry about what the federation wishes to work with.
> Truly sad.
> I hope this never happens to any of you.
> Because just saying sorry just doesn't fit the bill for me.
> The words sound quite empty.
> /Since this is happening to so many persons no matter the disability.
> I was just trying to come up with some idea that would help all of us.
> I won't say any more on this.
> I have thoughts, but as always I have kept pretty quiet on this list.
> Merry Christmas to all of you, and stay safe when traveling.
> As best as you can anyway.
> You all have made a impression for me.
> You will never be forgotten.
>
> Original message:
>> In this case, I wonder whether the type of car is at issue. I think not;
since, after all, it was ice on the road which caused it.
>
>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>
>> On Dec 18, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>
>>> Good afternoon everyone,
>
>>> Mary and I wish to express our condolences to David's family and those
>>> effected by this accident. We're curious to know if the car was a hybrid
or
>>> a conventional vehicle.? We know what it's like to lose loved ones
during
>>> the holiday season. We each lost a parent last year. Our sincerest
>>> condolences and prayers go out to all involved in this unfortunate
incident.
>
>>> Peter and Mary Donahue
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Tragedy in Denver
>
>
>>> I'm in agreement with these posts. I found out about this yesterday,
>>> and I'm still overwhelmed with sorrow. I had just met David at the NFB
>>> convention in Dallas back in July. I'm praying for everyone at the
>>> CCB, and all of his family. Yes, they do need to make those bus stops
>>> safe for everyone. Let's petition congress. Blessings, Joshua
>
>>> On 12/18/10, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
>>>> Many prsons who are sighted feel they are with profection.
>>>> So when they go blind, they feel less than a person.
>>>> Not putting together what that sounds like.
>>>> I just hope Denver and other states will come up with an idea how to
>>>> have a buss stop safe for everyone.
>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> The thing I don't understand is that the three were just standing
there
>>>>> waiting for the bus. Why cannot sighted people get it through their
thick
>>>>> skulls that it wasn't their fault.
>
>>>>> Sighted people can be so dense.
>
>>>>> It said very plainly in the article that the driver lost control of
her
>>>>> car
>>>>> because of the ice.
>
>>>>> I don't get it!
>
>
>>>>> Gloria Whipple
>>>>> Corresponding Secretary
>>>>> Inland Empire chapter
>>>>> nfb of WA
>
>>>>> cell number: 509-475-4993
>
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
>>>>> Behalf Of Alicia Richards
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 12:58 AM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Tragedy in Denver
>
>>>>> One of the upsetting things about yesterday's accident is that many
>>>>> bloggers
>
>>>>> on the Internet are saying the reason for the accident was
specifically
>>>>> because the students were blind. I wish people would have some common
>>>>> sense. No sighted person would have been able to react quickly enough
>>>>> and
>>>>> move out of the way in time, even if they did see the car coming at
them.
>>>>> This could have happened to any pedestrian taking public
transportation.
>>>>> I
>>>>> guess the incident being blamed on blindness does not surprise me, but
it
>>>>> does anger me. I find such ignorance incredibly frustrating.
>
>>>>> Alicia
>
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