[nfb-talk] [john at johnheim.com: unethical personal attacks]

[T. Joseph Carter]

Kenneth,

Have you read John's messages?  Last I checked, he did not claim to 
be a member of this organization.  Moreover, he insists that the NFB 
has an obligation to represent the viewpoint of the blind people who 
are not its membership.  Setting aside the sheer impossibility of 
this, the discussion inevitably winds up concluding that by blind 
people who aren't members of the organization, John means himself.  
And by represent, he means change our views so that what he believes 
is correct is the policy of the NFB.

No one man has the power to change the policies and direction of this 
organization by himself.  Not even Dr. Jernigan had that kind of sway 
over the NFB, and he was a lot more charismatic.  Likewise, the words 
of Jernigan ring bold, true, and unafraid in the hearts of many.  By 
contrast, Heim's words ring of the cheap straw man attacks they are, 
intended solely to tear down what we have built.

He then goes on to say that we universally oppose audible pedestrian 
signals, descriptive video, access to new technologies, and I would be 
shocked if he doesn't also argue that NFB hates guide dogs, though I 
don't recall if he's ever made that argument now or not.

Joseph


On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 07:40:39PM -0400, Kenneth Chrane wrote:
>Hi Don, we do have a good list and a good group.
>Dr. Tenbroek resigned because he under-went personal attacks in 1961.
>We don't want a repeat perforance of it.
>Kenneth Chrane
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "don nepple" <dnepple at hotmail.com>
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>Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 5:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [john at johnheim.com: unethical personal attacks]
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>>
>>yes ray i all so do not like this on this list we have a good list 
>>so yes he shshould googo off the list.by for now.
>>
>>----------------------------------------
>>>From: jheim at math.wisc.edu
>>>To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:38:45 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [john at johnheim.com: unethical personal attacks]
>>>
>>>I don't know what you're talking about. People have been uncivil 
>>>toward me,
>>>not the other way around.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Ray Foret Jr"
>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List"
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 3:16 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [john at johnheim.com: unethical personal attacks]
>>>
>>>
>>>>I wish to state here and now that I stand with Sarah and Joseph 
>>>>completely.
>>>>I wish to openly ask that John be removed from the lists. Under normal
>>>>circumstances, I would write Dave privately and protest; but, 
>>>>in this case,
>>>>I am choosing to come right straight out and plainly and openly ask that
>>>>this be done. Civil debate is one thing; and, God knows we've had go
>>>>rounds about this issue and that on this list. But this, I think is much
>>>>too far!!!! Very much too far!!! ENOUGH, ENOUGH, ENOUGH!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>Now a proud Mac user!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>e-mail:
>>>>rforetjr at comcast dot net
>>>>skype:
>>>>barefootedray
>>>>
>>>
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