[nfb-talk] Traffic Signals was [john at johnheim.com: unethical personal attacks]

[David Andrews]

John:

Do we categorically know that APS's "save lives."  While I haven't 
read all the links you have provided, I have read some and haven't 
yet read anything that indicates that APS's save lives.  That doesn't 
mean they are bad, or I am against them -- there is one half a block 
away from where I work, and I use it.  However, I personally would 
not have made any effort to have it installed there.D

ave

At 05:33 PM 5/28/2010, you wrote:
>Steve,
>
>First a question ... : Has the NFB changed its position since 
>2002?  Are you saying that if the Access Board were to try again to 
>require ABS everywhere there are visible walk signals, the NFB would 
>be okay with that? Because if so, then I'd be satisfied.
>
>People keep telling me that the NFB isn't categorically against 
>audible walk signals. Well, I can believe that and I never said 
>otherwise. What I'm saying is that in 2002, the NFB failed to take a 
>moderate approach. If the NFB saw problems with the Access Board's 
>recommendations in 2002, they could have worked with the Access 
>Board to work out a compromise. Instead they organized a protest 
>complete with picket signs, slogans, and chanting.
>
>My attempt to get an answer to the question, "If audible walk 
>signals save lives, shouldn't the NFB be fighting for them," is an 
>honest attempt to resolve the apparent contradiction in what people 
>are saying the official policy is and what the NFB did in 2002.
>
>Look, its very simple... If we can agree that if APS saves lives, 
>then we can probably agree that the NFB should work for a compromise 
>solution -- not just accept a compromise but work *for* it. If APS 
>saves lives, then the NFB would probably want to advocate the 
>installation of these devices in many locations.
>And if we could agree on that, we'd have worked the miracle of 
>finding common ground.

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