[nfb-talk] Please stop this thread RE:Explanation of traffic lightsand pedestrian signals

[Dewey Bradley]

I think that David is on it. he is the moderator, are you one of them?
If so then I'm sorry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 10:40 PM
Subject: [nfb-talk] Please stop this thread RE:Explanation of traffic 
lightsand pedestrian signals


>
> I would like to ask very nicely that this thread be stopped. It is filling
> my inbox unnecessarily, and I am tired of deleting messages. Please stop!
>
> Marsha
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of David Andrews
> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 10:39 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Explanation of traffic lights and pedestrian 
> signals
>
>  John:
>
> I read the link you gave below.  The majority of the piece is taken
> up with research and descriptions of what an APS should sound like to
> be audible to the most people.  There are a couple sentences, at the
> end, which I will paste in that say that APS's improve the attention
> to walk signals  for everybody, and the last sentence says that they
> help blind people know exactly when the signal changes.  That is it.
>
> This is obviously an important issue to you -- it comes up again and
> again and again.  The NFB position has shifted some over time, but at
> this point we are not going out and fight for APS's at all
> intersections.  It just isn't going to happen.  In the greater scheme
> of things we think there are more critical issues.  I would guess you
> don't agree.  That doesn't make us or you right or wrong,  it just is.
>
> Dave
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> Effect of Speech Messages on all pedestrians
>
> Van Houten, Malenfant, Van Houten and Retting (1997) found that
> redundant information conveyed by audible pedestrian signals
> increases the attention of all pedestrians to turning traffic and may
> contribute to a reduction in pedestrian-vehicular conflicts and
> crashes at signalized intersections. Their research in Clearwater,
> Florida used prototype speech message technology in which speech
> messages were broadcast from the pedestrian signal head. When the
> pedestrian push button was pressed, the message was "Please wait for
> WALK signal." The message "Look for turning vehicles while crossing
> [street name]" began 200 msec before WALK signals were illuminated.
>
> The signal also gave participants who were blind precise information
> about the onset of the WALK interval and which street had the WALK 
> interval.
>
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> At 08:33 AM 5/26/2010, you wrote:
>>All you need to do is google "research audible walk signal".  There
>>is plenty of information out that that will help you decide for
>>yourself about audible walk signals. I'm confident that anyone
>>reasonably informed on this subject will agree with me.
>>
>>Here's a really good place to start:
>>http://www.apsguide.org/appendix_c_signal.cfm
>>
>>Have you noticed that my posts are chuck full of links to
>>documentation for the things I say whereas those of the people who
>>disagree with me have none? This is always the case on this list in
>>every single debate we've ever had. None of these debates are ever a
>>case of dueling facts. In each ccase, I have all the facts and my
>>opponents have nothing but unsubstantiated opinions and insults.
>
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