[nfb-talk] LookTell

Sun Apr 24 18:00:36 UTC 2011

Amen to that! I actually fear my children are going to stop talking to 
one-another and start texting as their only means of communication. Scary!

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] LookTell

>I hear you.  But sighted persons -- at least of the current geological era
> -- seem congenitally allergic to lists and simple tables.  After all, said
> constructions might force them to -- gasp -- actually *read* something.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 6:07 AM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] LookTell
>
> Mike,
>
> I use an app called Where To? on the iPhone which has a custom view for 
> its
> first screen.  Rather than have a simple list of items, it has a circular
> wheel of icons that easily identifies categories for you.  This screen was
> inaccessible, until I contacted the developers.
> They fixed it in the very next update.
>
> Another application basically displays HTML content, generated out of a
> database.  Toolbar buttons activate a Javascript function that increases 
> or
> decreases the font size with a cap at a given size.
> Though I specified in my request that I needed either a change in the font
> face to be able to read the screen or about four point sizes larger 
> maximum
> font size (which can be done by editing one number in this Javascript 
> file),
> they won't do it.  This application provides mass readings and I use it
> literally sitting in the pew, so I don't wish to use it with VoiceOver
> (which could read that part of the program well enough.)
>
> Custom views or standard ones, if the developer wants it to be made
> accessible, it's easily done.  If not, even the most trivial request can 
> be
> ignored.
>
> Joseph
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 05:28:36PM -0700, Mike Freeman wrote:
>>I see.  Thanks.
>>
>>In any event, I wish we could ween those sighted programmers from their
>>custom views.  I don't think human civilization will perish due to
>>excess CO2; I think it will perish due to excess bling! (smirk)
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
>>Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 5:07 PM
>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] LookTell
>>
>>That's actually not hard at all.  The only reason so many apps are not
>>accessible out of the box is that they use custom views that require
>>the programmer to implement a method to define what VoiceOver should
>>say.  They don't care to do it, so the controls say nothing.
>>
>>It's the equivalent of putting an alt tag on an image, and it's just
>>about that difficult to do.  In other words, the programmer needs only
>>to want it done and take a few minutes to make it happen.  And yet the
>>developers of a great many applications simply cannot be bothered to do 
>>it.
>>
>>Joseph
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 10:15:30AM -0700, Mike Freeman wrote:
>>>One of the "gotchyas" in porting the KNFB Reader Mobile software to
>>>the iPhone is coming up with a user interface compatible with the
>>>touch-screen in general and VoiceOver in particular.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
>>>Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:10 AM
>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] LookTell
>>>
>>>I'm half expecting to hear before too long that the KNFB Reader
>>>software is available for the iPhone 4 and 5.  As noted elsewhere, the
>>>iPhone 4 has a suitable camera, though other Apple devices do not.
>>>The hardware is pretty much the same on all major modern smartphones,
>>>it's just a question of operating system and application software.
>>>
>>>There's nothing terribly unique about the KNFB Reader's supported
> hardware.
>>>All that matters is porting the software to the appropriate operating
>>>system and working out how to put it on to the appropriate devices.
>>>
>>>Presently, you can only get iPhone software from the App Store
>>>(without a jailbreak of course), but this comes at a 30% cut of the
>>>sale price for Apple.  I do not know if that's reasonable at this point 
>>>or
> not.
>>>
>>>Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>>On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:54:43PM -0600, Ryan O wrote:
>>>>Ed, I have an iPhone and use LookTell. It is a damn neat app. I wish
>>>>I'd owned it when I was a cashier.
>>>>
>>>>I think the day may be coming when mainstream cell phone technology
>>>>renders the KNFB Reader obsolete.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>RyanO
>>>>
>>>>
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