[nfb-talk] Convention

Wed Aug 3 14:08:25 UTC 2011

Thousands of organizations around the world allow voting by mail. I just 
attended a stock holder's meeting where I'd already boted by mail. Its not 
really that difficult.

Why don't you just admit it, Mike, you're against it because I'm for it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention

>I dare say that trying to implement such a scheme would leave NFB open to
> all sorts of political hanky-panky. Reminds me of an FS story wherein 
> people
> wore a device on their wrists that allowed instant polling of all the
> citizenry. There was a referendum once a week on an issue and voting was
> mandatory. Turns out that these plebacites ultimately lead to more
> conformity and tyranny of the majority then would have been the case with
> present methods.
>
> Besides, implicit in your question is the assumption that NFB does *not*
> represent the views of a majority of its membership. I will not enter into 
> a
> discussion on this topic as your views on it are well-known and I rather
> doubt either of us will have his mind changed by such a dialogue.
>
> Take care.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of John Heim
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:29 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>
> Right, and I'm sure that helps. But don't you think the NFB would be more
> likely to represent the views of its members if it allowed everyone to 
> vote?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>
>
>> Members who do not attend convention are represented by their affiliate's
>> delegate and alternate delegate(s). If there's an issue of treanscendant
>> importance, presumably said members could call up their delegates and
>> lobby
>> for the position they favor.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Gloria Whipple
>> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:33 AM
>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>
>> Have you ever been to a nfb convention? If not, how do you know?
>>
>> I am not trying to start anything, I am just serious?
>>
>> I do wish those who cannot attend the conventions could vote. After all,
>> they are members.
>>
>> Thank you John and have a nice day!
>>
>>
>> Gloria Whipple
>> Corresponding Secretary
>> Inland Empire chapter
>> nfb of WA
>>
>> Cell: 509-475-4993
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of John Heim
>> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 06:59
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>
>> My opinion is that it would help the organization quite a bit to allow
>> people who don't attend the convention to vote. The people who attend the
>> conventions are the best of the best. The result is that the NFB doesn't
>> do
>> a great job of representing those who are struggling a little bit more
>> with
>> their disability.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 1:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>
>>
>>> Loren, these are very valid points. While I continue to support the
>>> principles of NFB I have become frustrated by many of the practices of
>>> the
>>
>>> organization as they are antiquated and portray an approach that
>>> indicates
>>
>>> a "one size fits all" mentality. There needs to be greater flexibility 
>>> in
>>> many areas. There have been many successes such as the implementation of
>>> NFB newsline and court victories such as the Target law suit although it
>>> would have been nice had it been a broader one, just to name a couple.
>>> Chuck
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>
>>>
>>>> One sign that an organization of any kind is dying is when it takes the
>>>> attitude, "we've never done it that way before".  Times are changing.
>>>> An
>>
>>>> organization or business cannot afford to chase people the same way 
>>>> they
>>>> did 20 30 years ago.  This in no way means they must change the corp
>>>> beliefs of the organization.  But just because it wasn't done that way
>>>> in
>>
>>>> the past, is not a reason to do it now.  If that was the ccase, the
>>>> blind
>>
>>>> would not have made any advances at all.  We changed the paradigm out
>>>> there, and fortunately, it is still changing.  Streaming is not just 
>>>> for
>>>> those who will not go to convention or can't go, it is a way to get the
>>>> message out to the general public.  If we take the attitude that if you
>>>> cant beg borrow or steal your way to convention, then you cant hear or
>>>> share what happened or was said, then why publish a summary in the
>>>> monitor?
>>>>
>>>> Like it or not, society is changing.  Who really cares if we change 
>>>> what
>>>> it means to be blind, and the blind are still two centuries behind the
>>>> rest of the world?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Lauren and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>    With that kind of outlook it's true. We've fought the dragons of
>>>>> hell
>>
>>>>> to
>>>>> make it to convention and succeeded many times. We feel we've set a
>>>>> great
>>>>> example for others to follow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:29 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing to do is get the stream working or not do it at all.  It
>>>>> sounds
>>>>> like we are getting it down.  Things will work better next time.
>>>>> Streaming
>>>>> probably will benefit more than those who are already members as well.
>>>>> And
>>>>> as much as we may wish to do so, it is impossible for all who want to
>>>>> attend
>>>>> to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 10:35 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello again everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    The ultimate solution is to quit complaining about the stream and
>>>>>> start
>>>>>> now to plan to be with us in Dallas next year and at future Orlando
>>>>>> conventions. From what I hear there will be a lot of them.  Get busy
>>>>>> now,
>>>>>> wrestle up the bucks now and we'll see you in Dallas and beyond.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:30 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>> What do you mean? Are you saying the banquet wasn't available live 
>>>>>> due
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> technical issues?
>>>>>> I agree the convention is important to stream, but due to work and
>>>>>> family
>>>>>> events, I only got to hear it a few times.
>>>>>> I heard it more live last year and it was very clear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>>>> From: James Aldrich
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 1:48 PM
>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The banquet wasn't available to me but I probably got in much too
>>>>>> late!
>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> think we need to show our leaders how important this streaming is to
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> we need to keep it out front!  It is truly important and it does
>>>>>> indeed
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> our message out!  I too enjoyed what I heard from the stream!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Jim" <jp100 at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> To: "Jim" <jp100 at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 2:15 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It sounds like it was a wonderful convention.  Once the streams got
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> working right, I was able to hear and see what all was going on.
>>>>>>> Very
>>>>>>> informative.  The banquet was also great last night.  A few times,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> stream went out, but again, that was temporary.  I was able to get
>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the speech.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, for all who went, I hope you had a great time and I'm glad
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> those of us who couldn't go could at least take part in the 
>>>>>>> listening
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> sessions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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