[nfb-talk] Discrimination

Kenneth Chrane kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
Thu Aug 4 13:37:35 UTC 2011


Why not take the train or bus, or buy a motor home.

Ken Chrane

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Discrimination


> About all I could add to this discussion is that Joseph was not really
> treated any differently than any sighted person would have been who dared 
> to
> question the TSA agents.  That is why for me this is not a blindness 
> issue.
> I hear from sighted friends with regular frequency stories similar to
> Josephs.  The only difference is the comment or action of the traveler 
> that
> causes the TSA employee to decide to show the traveler who is boss.
>
> This is one of the many reasons I attempt to avoid flying whenever 
> possible.
> Add to it the cramped seats and higher prices, it becomes more trouble 
> than
> it's worth in most cases.
>
> When you have seriously limited time or cannot find a driver or must 
> travel
> alone, then it is probably a necessary evil.  But if you have someone who
> can drive and don't mind taking longer to reach your destination, than
> driving is a much better way.
>
> One example... to visit my sister in southeast Georgia costs about $250.00
> per person in air fare and four hours in air line travel time.  By car we
> can transport four people comfortably for $500.00 and travel time is about
> nine hours.
>
> One additional advantage to taking the car is that you can pack coolers of
> your favorite soft drinks and foods and are not robbed by a greedy
> corporation for a meal.
>
> It's not a perfect solution and not workable if you don't have drivers. 
> But
> for some it could be a workable alternative.
>
>
> Thanks, William
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 10:21 PM
> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Discrimination
>
> Ashley:
>
> I think we must be clear in our legal terminology. If full-body-scans are 
> a
> violation of our rights, they are a violation of *privacy* rights, not 
> civil
> rights as in Title VI of the civil rights Act of 1964. Like Larry, I don't
> really care whether someone likes to perv by looking at my innards or
> birthday suit -- if they are *that* deprived, they need an education.
> (smirk)
>
> That aside, I think that while your comment about TSA personnel ideally
> neding training is true, we must bear in mind someone else's comment from
> some time back in the discussion that in speaking with a supervisor at
> United Airlines (it was called that back then), the supervisor said the
> toughest problem was to get all 10,000 cabin attendants to obey the rules.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 3:12 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Discrimination
>
> Larry,
> We all go through hastles and indignity at airports. I think the full body
> scanners are a civil rights violation. We should never be virtually 
> stripped
> searched without a reason behind it.
> As for your comment about the bus or train, buses will soon have airport
> style security and maybe rail someday too. Some places you cannot get to 
> on
> land via rail as well.
>
> I think TSA need training in manners and their own regulations; this might
> minimize some distress among passengers.
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry D. Keeler
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:39 AM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: [nfb-talk] Discrimination
>
> Dignity certainly is an issue!  I think that dignity is a relative term
> however.  Most americans whether blind or not, suffer some indignity at
> airports.  If you don't want to suffer indignities at the airport, then 
> the
> train or bus should suffice.  I aggree with you Brian though about hired
> assistance.  Many of them are untraind and understand very little english.
> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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