[nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

Wed Jul 6 00:34:55 UTC 2011

I think they have deals made with hotels in certain cities and that's why 
the convention keeps going between Atlanta and Dallas.  Orlando is 
different, this year.  But, it's not like it used to be when we'd go to a 
different place each year.  Those were the good old days.  No one can 
negotiate hotels like Dr. Jernigan could.

Cindy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

I would love to see the convention come west again, either to Colorado
Denver or Colorado Springs.
Closer to my home Montana.
I understand why they wish not to come to Montana, but to Colorado
because hotel rates are to high, I don't know about that one.

Original message:
> Brian,

> I would agree.  When I asked Marc why they did not change the date of
> Convention giving reasons similar to yours, and also pointing out that
> cheaper hotel rates could probably be gotten at other times.  The answer 
> was
> given that the July Conventions are what the membership want.

> Now the one time I actually observed a vote on changing the date and
> location of Convention than the ones we constantly go to took place, I
> believed that the majority as a hole voted to change date and location to
> include other cities and get cheaper rates.  It sounded quite clear to me
> the membership wanted more varied locations and times.  However, Marc said
> that the motion to expand locations and times failed.  The State by State
> vote was then called for.  Naturally the result of the votes of the 50 
> State
> Presidents was to leave the Convention date as it is currently.

> Not really a majority decision.  But a decision made using the rules of 
> the
> body as agreed upon.  I haven't been back to a Convention since.  Nor do I
> plan to, as long as they are in the middle of summer; when I'd prefer to 
> be
> on the beach.  I guess you can call that, "William being a sore loser."  I
> call it using my personal time as I see fit.  Should they try having it in
> Orlando in January, I think I might try to attend the Convention.  I'd 
> much
> rather be in central Florida In January then now.

> Thanks, William

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:49 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

> you say the leaders want everyone to attend in person?

> the leaders refuse to budge about adjusting the dates so they don't land 
> on
> 4th of july weekend.
> i had much more fun camping with friends than i would ever had sitting in 
> a
> chair listening to a person speaking all day and friends that want to be
> with me instead of trying to find someone to eat/do things with after the
> sessions.

> Bryan Schulz

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

>> The fact that the Convention is streamed to any degree is huge progress.
>> Marc made it clear to me years ago that were he to have his way, none of
>> it
>> would be streamed.  The leadership wanted all to attend in person.  Not
>> via
>> internet.  The fact that for the past few years the Conventions are being
>> streamed in part or full is huge progress and a huge change from what 
>> Marc
>> stated to me long ago.

>> I am hoping to catch a little of it.  So I hope they get the kinks worked
>> out soon.

>> Thanks, William

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of James Aldrich
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:03 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

>> Hi Dave  and list,

>> To answer your question, I'm certain if I had been involved, things would
>> be

>> worse (grin smile)!  I'm starting to learn how to send my own audio 
>> files.

>> The problem is not those involved with the stream!  One is doing the best
>> they can with what they have available!  I'm certain good people are
>> involved including yourself and that in itself is a good thing!  The
>> problem

>> is streaming coventions aren't a high priority with the NFB. Equipment 
>> may
>> work at the home office but get it on the scene, forget it!  This 
>> nonsense
>> of not getting the stream has been happening for a good 5 years or more
>> perhaps.  I think more people would take advantage of it if it worked! 
>> It
>> is that plain and simple to me!  The opposition not only streams their
>> convention live successfully every year, it is available on demand in its
>> intirity throughout  the year!  Anyone who can stand to hear it can do 
>> so!
>> I think we definitely need to put more of a priority to this than we 
>> have!
>> We certainly have a good track record when we put our mind to something!
>> It

>> gets done!  This is one of the things which needs to work much better 
>> than
>> it has!  What is happening now isn't working or hasn't worked well!
>> Therefore, it is roop goldburg to me, why bother?  I would like to be
>> bothered and if I can't listen at a particular time, I could listen 
>> later!
>> This is the age of the Iphone, and other smart phones where people can
>> listen where they are, on a bus, outside or heaven only knows where!
>> Perhaps Voice of the Nation's Blind should be a full time radio station
>> which sells time to those wishing to buy time to present something!
>> Perhaps

>> it could evolve into being able to pay people to run the operation, what 
>> a
>> novel idea!  I'm certain too the NFB could partner with various entaties
>> to
>> achieve a more successful dependable stream!  If various states can 
>> stream
>> their conventions, why can't the national do the same successfuly?  I
>> think
>> if it worked, you'd have many people listening whether at the convention
>> itself or whether at home or on the go!  This definitely is one area 
>> where
>> the NFB hasn't done its job as well  as it could be done! How cool it
>> would
>> be to dial it up or download it from Newsline perhaps!

>> I wish I could wave a magic wand or have the expertise to fix things but 
>> I
>> don't!  The fact of the matter is, how many people would listen is flawed
>> because the stream itself is flawed so if the whole world knows the 
>> stream
>> doesn't work, why bother?

>> I'll keep trying throughout the day, but I think your being at convention
>> would be a good time to address this issue especially when one considers
>> the

>> rising costs of everything!  If I could listen dependably, I could Email
>> or
>> phone my state affiliate representative to tell him how I'd like him to
>> vote

>> on certain matters!  One could participate in this way and the NFB would
>> be
>> available for all the world to hear if they wished!  Our critics say we
>> aren't an open and above board organization!  Therefore, some might say
>> this

>> is why streaming isn't a priority!

>> All I am saying is we haven't done well in this area!

>> Jim

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

>>> Jim:

>>> How do you know that the NFB is using a rube goldberg approach?  Were 
>>> you
>>> involved in the planning and execution?

>>> I am sorry too that it isn't working but you and everybody else seem to
>>> be

>>> pretty eager to condemn without knowing what is going on.  They are
>>> trying

>>> to offer the stream in 3 different formats this year, the schedule, 
>>> URL's
>>> etc. were announced in advance -- this hardly seems rube goldberg to me.

>>> Also, I listened to stream last year, and the most listeners I ever saw
>>> on

>>> at once was about 150 during banquet, most of time under 100.  So people
>>> ask, and bitch and moan when it doesn't work, but it doesn't look like 
>>> it
>>> is that widely used to me.

>>> Dave

>>> At 09:34 AM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>>>> Hello
>>>> All!

>>>> I'm afraid the NFB hasn't ever been serious about live streaming audio
>>>> especially when it comes to conventions.  I fully realize that this is 
>>>> an
>>>> expense but with the costs going up to go to conventions, I think the
>>>> expense could be justified.  Until that happens,we will always have 
>>>> this
>>>> roop goldburg approach to streaming conventions.  I wish it weren't so
>>>> but

>>>> one cannot depend on the stream nor hear it at a later time till the
>>>> Monitor comes out.

>>>> Jim

>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 7:36 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

>>>>> I can't hear anything.  When I try to open up the windows media 
>>>>> stream,
>>>>> I

>>>>> get a page error.  Same thing with all the other streams.  I have a
>>>>> direct file download for the mp3 stream and it comes up with no audio
>>>>> either. Frankly, I am beginning to wonder whether they know what 
>>>>> they're
>>>>> doing!

>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>> barefootedray

>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1

>>>>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:22 AM, mr. hooper wrote:

>>>>>> ac tually it is on but i think their audio board isn't set up right 
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you turn your volume way up you can here it.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 8:14 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

>>>>>>> Hey,

>>>>>>> I think they forgot to turn the streaming for the convention on.
>>>>>>> Nothing is active right now and it's already 15 minutes past the
>>>>>>> starting time!!!!

>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

>>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>>> barefootedray

>>>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1

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