[nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando

[Mike Freeman]

Right on, Brian.

Would you believe I *was* on a no-fly list for years and could never figure
out why? I was able to fly but it was a royal hassle since every time I
checked in at the airline desk, there was this great wait while everyone
official consulted with one another. I haven't been on the list for some
years but don't know why I was taken off any more than I know why I was put
on in the first place. (grin)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Miller
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 6:08 PM
To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando

Hi Peter,

I don't think anyone feels that Joe was treated well, or with the respect he
deserves, but security checks are a serious hassle and a drag for everyone,
and indignities abound.  I think solidarity across the board, and not just
for blind people, is in order.  

I merely say that for me using my cane to walk a few feet through the metal
detector is not worth fighting over -- the last thing I need is to end up on
a "no fly" list.  The point is, you are exactly right that the blind have
been fighting, and getting arrested, and going to jail, for years over our
right to have our mobility devices, and we've won some, and lost many
others.  I think we need to figure out where to focus our energies to
maximize independence while recognizing that we face a very difficult
environment in which to make our arguments when it comes to security.  

Heck, we still don't, and maybe never will, have the right to sit in the
emergency row -- now that makes me feel more like a child than does a quick
guide through the magnetometer .

Not long ago Dr. Fred Schoeder was denied the right to fly to a meeting
because he was traveling alone... Granted, this was not in the United
States, but that kind of right of freedom of movement, is something I'm
willing to lie down on the tarmac for and go to jail.... Maybe not a jail in
Thailand, though *smile*

In any case, I don't think Alicia, or any of us, are trying to miminize the
fight we all face.  

Brian M



-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 11:30 AM
To: Alicia Richards; NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando

Hello Alicia and everyone,

The next time you pass through a TSA Check point we'll cut both of your feet
off and demand that you walk through like anyone else. Blind people have
fought long and hard to be allowed to keep their canes and dogs with them at
all times while passing through TSA check points and on planes themselves. 
Blind people were arrested and went to jail to insure these rights are
protected and we don't need our own people telling us that it's not a big
deal.

Peter Donahue who along with Mary took their last flight ever on a
commercial airliner and can look forward to avoiding TSA screeners in the
future!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Richards" <alicianfb at gmail.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando


I agree with Mike and others here.  Yes, the TSA has been given too much
power.  It's shameful that they can perform such invasive patdowns,
violating one's personal space and dignity.  but as Ryan said, that's not a
blindness issue: they can do that to anyone.  And, I've never understood
people's issue with giving up their cane for 30 seconds, taking someone's
hand to walk five steps through the security check, and then have their cane
handed right back to them.  I question someone's mobility training if they
are unable to walk five steps without their cane, and also can't help but
wonder if they're exhibiting what I believe was once called, "rebellious
independence," by refusing to take the hand or arm of a TSA official for
that very brief time.  But to each their own.  Joseph, I'll be curious if
you get a reply from Scott LaBarre about this?

Alicia


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