[nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

Mike Freeman k7uij at panix.com
Tue Jul 12 16:13:38 UTC 2011 

Er, um, 2018. You may well be right; I was there but was doing several things at once (not unusual for an affiliate president) so could have missed that last year. (grin)

Mike

On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:56, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:

> with respect, Mike, I do quite destinktly recall Dr. Maurer informing the convention that it would be in Orlando in 1028.  This, on Wednesday afternoon after Mr. Rosan's speech.
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> On Jul 12, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Mike Freeman wrote:
> 
>> I do not believe 2018's location has been set yet.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> On Jul 12, 2011, at 4:04, "Kenneth Chrane" <kenneth.chrane at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> The NFB convention will be in Orlando, florida, in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018.
>>> I heard this from President Marc Maurer last week, when I attended the NFB Convention in Orlando, Florida.
>>> It was a great convention.
>>> 
>>> Ken Chrane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette Fortin" <jeanette at fortin-home.com>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 8:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> as i understand it from asking the big guys is they have to have a hotel that can hold the ammount of folks who attend, i guess they had it in denver once and had to use more than one hotel like in detroit a few years ago, makes it harder for everyone to get to everything, i personally like dallas and am looking forward to it next year but i understand folks are tired of dallas because it has been  there a lot, but i also understand from the convention last year it is going to be in florida every other year for two or three more times.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 3:47 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I would love to see the convention come west again, either to Colorado Denver or Colorado Springs.
>>>>> Closer to my home Montana.
>>>>> I understand why they wish not to come to Montana, but to Colorado because hotel rates are to high, I don't know about that one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Brian,
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would agree.  When I asked Marc why they did not change the date of
>>>>>> Convention giving reasons similar to yours, and also pointing out that
>>>>>> cheaper hotel rates could probably be gotten at other times.  The answer was
>>>>>> given that the July Conventions are what the membership want.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now the one time I actually observed a vote on changing the date and
>>>>>> location of Convention than the ones we constantly go to took place, I
>>>>>> believed that the majority as a hole voted to change date and location to
>>>>>> include other cities and get cheaper rates.  It sounded quite clear to me
>>>>>> the membership wanted more varied locations and times.  However, Marc said
>>>>>> that the motion to expand locations and times failed.  The State by State
>>>>>> vote was then called for.  Naturally the result of the votes of the 50 State
>>>>>> Presidents was to leave the Convention date as it is currently.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not really a majority decision.  But a decision made using the rules of the
>>>>>> body as agreed upon.  I haven't been back to a Convention since.  Nor do I
>>>>>> plan to, as long as they are in the middle of summer; when I'd prefer to be
>>>>>> on the beach.  I guess you can call that, "William being a sore loser." I
>>>>>> call it using my personal time as I see fit.  Should they try having it in
>>>>>> Orlando in January, I think I might try to attend the Convention.  I'd much
>>>>>> rather be in central Florida In January then now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks, William
>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:49 PM
>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>>>> 
>>>>>> you say the leaders want everyone to attend in person?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> the leaders refuse to budge about adjusting the dates so they don't land on
>>>>>> 4th of july weekend.
>>>>>> i had much more fun camping with friends than i would ever had sitting in a
>>>>>> chair listening to a person speaking all day and friends that want to be
>>>>>> with me instead of trying to find someone to eat/do things with after the
>>>>>> sessions.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:18 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The fact that the Convention is streamed to any degree is huge progress.
>>>>>>> Marc made it clear to me years ago that were he to have his way, none of
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> would be streamed.  The leadership wanted all to attend in person.  Not
>>>>>>> via
>>>>>>> internet.  The fact that for the past few years the Conventions are being
>>>>>>> streamed in part or full is huge progress and a huge change from what Marc
>>>>>>> stated to me long ago.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am hoping to catch a little of it.  So I hope they get the kinks worked
>>>>>>> out soon.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks, William
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of James Aldrich
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:03 PM
>>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Dave  and list,
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To answer your question, I'm certain if I had been involved, things would
>>>>>>> be
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> worse (grin smile)!  I'm starting to learn how to send my own audio files.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The problem is not those involved with the stream!  One is doing the best
>>>>>>> they can with what they have available!  I'm certain good people are
>>>>>>> involved including yourself and that in itself is a good thing!  The
>>>>>>> problem
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> is streaming coventions aren't a high priority with the NFB. Equipment may
>>>>>>> work at the home office but get it on the scene, forget it!  This nonsense
>>>>>>> of not getting the stream has been happening for a good 5 years or more
>>>>>>> perhaps.  I think more people would take advantage of it if it worked! It
>>>>>>> is that plain and simple to me!  The opposition not only streams their
>>>>>>> convention live successfully every year, it is available on demand in its
>>>>>>> intirity throughout  the year!  Anyone who can stand to hear it can do so!
>>>>>>> I think we definitely need to put more of a priority to this than we have!
>>>>>>> We certainly have a good track record when we put our mind to something!
>>>>>>> It
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> gets done!  This is one of the things which needs to work much better than
>>>>>>> it has!  What is happening now isn't working or hasn't worked well!
>>>>>>> Therefore, it is roop goldburg to me, why bother?  I would like to be
>>>>>>> bothered and if I can't listen at a particular time, I could listen later!
>>>>>>> This is the age of the Iphone, and other smart phones where people can
>>>>>>> listen where they are, on a bus, outside or heaven only knows where!
>>>>>>> Perhaps Voice of the Nation's Blind should be a full time radio station
>>>>>>> which sells time to those wishing to buy time to present something!
>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> it could evolve into being able to pay people to run the operation, what a
>>>>>>> novel idea!  I'm certain too the NFB could partner with various entaties
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> achieve a more successful dependable stream!  If various states can stream
>>>>>>> their conventions, why can't the national do the same successfuly?  I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> if it worked, you'd have many people listening whether at the convention
>>>>>>> itself or whether at home or on the go!  This definitely is one area where
>>>>>>> the NFB hasn't done its job as well  as it could be done! How cool it
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be to dial it up or download it from Newsline perhaps!
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I wish I could wave a magic wand or have the expertise to fix things but I
>>>>>>> don't!  The fact of the matter is, how many people would listen is flawed
>>>>>>> because the stream itself is flawed so if the whole world knows the stream
>>>>>>> doesn't work, why bother?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'll keep trying throughout the day, but I think your being at convention
>>>>>>> would be a good time to address this issue especially when one considers
>>>>>>> the
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> rising costs of everything!  If I could listen dependably, I could Email
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> phone my state affiliate representative to tell him how I'd like him to
>>>>>>> vote
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> on certain matters!  One could participate in this way and the NFB would
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> available for all the world to hear if they wished!  Our critics say we
>>>>>>> aren't an open and above board organization!  Therefore, some might say
>>>>>>> this
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> is why streaming isn't a priority!
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All I am saying is we haven't done well in this area!
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:15 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jim:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> How do you know that the NFB is using a rube goldberg approach?  Were you
>>>>>>>> involved in the planning and execution?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am sorry too that it isn't working but you and everybody else seem to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> pretty eager to condemn without knowing what is going on.  They are
>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> to offer the stream in 3 different formats this year, the schedule, URL's
>>>>>>>> etc. were announced in advance -- this hardly seems rube goldberg to me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Also, I listened to stream last year, and the most listeners I ever saw
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> at once was about 150 during banquet, most of time under 100.  So people
>>>>>>>> ask, and bitch and moan when it doesn't work, but it doesn't look like it
>>>>>>>> is that widely used to me.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> At 09:34 AM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>>> All!
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid the NFB hasn't ever been serious about live streaming audio
>>>>>>>>> especially when it comes to conventions.  I fully realize that this is an
>>>>>>>>> expense but with the costs going up to go to conventions, I think the
>>>>>>>>> expense could be justified.  Until that happens,we will always have this
>>>>>>>>> roop goldburg approach to streaming conventions.  I wish it weren't so
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> one cannot depend on the stream nor hear it at a later time till the
>>>>>>>>> Monitor comes out.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 7:36 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I can't hear anything.  When I try to open up the windows media stream,
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> get a page error.  Same thing with all the other streams.  I have a
>>>>>>>>>> direct file download for the mp3 stream and it comes up with no audio
>>>>>>>>>> either. Frankly, I am beginning to wonder whether they know what they're
>>>>>>>>>> doing!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Skype name:
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:22 AM, mr. hooper wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ac tually it is on but i think their audio board isn't set up right if
>>>>>>>>>>> you turn your volume way up you can here it.
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 8:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think they forgot to turn the streaming for the convention on.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing is active right now and it's already 15 minutes past the
>>>>>>>>>>>> starting time!!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype name:
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>>>>> 
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