[nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando

Tue Jul 12 21:00:00 UTC 2011

I've never had a problem with diabetic supplies. Usually when I start to tell a screener that there is a bg meter and insulin in my carry-on, it's already passed through screening before I get my whole spiel out. Frankly, these days screeners probably see this stuff all the time.

Mike

On Jul 12, 2011, at 13:28, "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com> wrote:

> You know, your diabetic supplies are probably a problem as well!
> I heard also in the news recently about the terror chatter about implanting 
> explosive inside a person's abdomen and then the explosive would be set off 
> by shooting chemicals into the implant with a syringe.  It is ridiculous.
> Sometimes I think I should join the ranks of the persons who don't have a tv 
> in their home. But then I turn on a good show and I forget...
> 
> which reminds me, anyone have good luck getting cable and satellite tv 
> providers to put audio description in the SAP?
> If it is there, is there an accessible way of selecting it?
> --le
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando
> 
> 
> Oh my gosh Mike, then they had to look at it as well.
> When I go threw the air port, I share rite away I have diabetic items,
> do let me keep them.
> They even get to see what kind of lunch I brought to eat smile.
> They let me keep this as well.
> This helps on the cost of food for me to bring my own lunch.
> 
> Original message:
>> Brian:
> 
>> It's random. I've had my cane set off the alarms in some airports and
>> not others; it isn't even consistent from day to day at a given
>> airport. It just depends on how sensitive the screening devices are set
>> on a given occasion. Heck; I once had a container of glucose tablets
>> set off the alarm at the longworth House Office Building in DC! Go figure.
> 
>> Mike
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:41, "Brian Miller" <brian-r-miller at uiowa.edu> wrote:
> 
>>> Hi Benet,
> 
>>> Thanks for sharing your stories, perspective, and wise observations.
> 
>>> I'm really curious, though, as like you, I travel a fair bit -- more than
>>> most, less than others, and I've always avoided taking my cane through 
>>> the
>>> detectors as I have had it set them off too many times... I have your
>>> standard NFB long white cane with a metal tip, and sometimes with a metal
>>> chain.
> 
>>> You say your cane never, or rarely sets off the machine -- I wonder what
>>> others who use the same kind of cane experience?
> 
>>> Brian M
> 
> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Michael Bullis
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:09 AM
>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando
> 
>>> Very well said Ben.  I'm glad to see somebody put this into some
>>> perspective.  And, you were nice about it, not questioning the motives 
>>> and
>>> actions of others, not ranting, Etc.  Maybe I'll continue to read this 
>>> list
>>> after all.
>>> Mike Bullis
> 
> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:49 AM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando
> 
>>> What we need here is calm.  This is a frustrating issue, that isn't going 
>>> to
>>> foster consensus any time soon, unless we all organize an acceptable
>>> response that works for the vast majority of us, and then we all act
>>> accordingly.  However, as many different points of view, as there are, 
>>> and
>>> emotions that run through the security checks done by TSA folks, I think 
>>> we
>>> may be trying to herd cats here.
> 
>>> My experience with tSA in Florida was that just at the time I was going 
>>> to
>>> go through the metal detector *using my *cane*, one TSA guy said I need 
>>> to
>>> take your cane to x-ray it.  I explained that I understood, and that I 
>>> would
>>> stop on the other side of the machine after walking through with my cane
>>> which most likely wouldn't set the machine off, and give it to him to do
>>> with whatever he wanted.  He told me to go ahead, I went through without
>>> incident, handed him my cane, waited a few seconds, and he gave it back
>>> after putting it through the scanner.
> 
>>> In other airports, I have had, ..., shall we say, firmer discussions, but
>>> none has resulted in more than a few minutes of checking, explaining, 
>>> then
>>> walking through the scanner with my cane in tact.
> 
>>> I may have been lucky so far.  but, I do travel more than some, and less
>>> than others.  Usually, and I emphasize *usually, I get through security 
>>> at a
>>> comfort level I can tolerate.  Though, all that having been said, I still
>>> hate airports, security, airline folks that assume I am not capable of
>>> thinking, walking, talking, understanding, etc, just because I don't see.
> 
>>> One final story.  A colleague and I were flying back to Seattle after
>>> convention.  Everything had gone quite well throughout the day.  In fact,
>>> Mike Freeman, his wife, and we had a nice opportunity to kill time in
>>> hotels, airports, etc, while waiting for time to fly.  But we got into a
>>> short conversation about the frustrations at airports, etc somewhere 
>>> along
>>> the way.  I got to Seattle, and was headed for the baggage claim, and a
>>> large gentleman asked me if I needed help getting to baggage claim.  I 
>>> said
>>> something like, just a little direction.  And, of course, he said "oh 
>>> here,
>>> I'll help", and proceeded to wrap a large arm around mine.  And, I guess 
>>> in
>>> frustration, or without thinking, I said, "Hey, don't do that, ..., it 
>>> just
>>> bugs the expletive* out of me."  It surprised me, because I don't even 
>>> like
>>> the expletive I uttered, (which begins with a letter other than S.)  He
>>> didn't really run away, or apologize, just said something like he was 
>>> just
>>> trying to help.  I apologized for the language, but tried to explain it 
>>> was
>>> his physical action that got to me.  I also said I appreciated his intent 
>>> to
>>> give me direction though, but by then, he'd left.  I felt bad, because he
>>> may not think to assist anyone in the future.  But, don't I have the 
>>> right
>>> to get angry at some point too?
> 
>>> Anyway, have a nice day, and hope your travels are rewarding.
> 
>>> /s/
> 
> 
>>> Bennett
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:29 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando
> 
>>> So what you're saying, Brian, is that you're willing to be intimidated 
>>> into
>>> giving up your rights, because the big boogeyman TSA agents can do too 
>>> much
>>> to you if you don't do exactly what they say, whether it's illegal or 
>>> flies
>>> in the face of every battle we have fought long and hard for as an
>>> organization?
> 
>>> Just want to be sure I understand here.  Because the TSA said that of 
>>> nearly
>>> 3,000 blind people going through the airport, I'm the only one who 
>>> insisted
>>> that I had a right NOT to be led around like a child, denied the use of 
>>> my
>>> cane for travel.
> 
>>> Joseph
> 
> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 09:07:58PM -0400, Brian Miller wrote:
>>>> Hi Peter,
> 
>>>> I don't think anyone feels that Joe was treated well, or with the
>>>> respect he deserves, but security checks are a serious hassle and a
>>>> drag for everyone, and indignities abound.  I think solidarity across
>>>> the board, and not just for blind people, is in order.
> 
>>>> I merely say that for me using my cane to walk a few feet through the
>>>> metal detector is not worth fighting over -- the last thing I need is
>>>> to end up on a "no fly" list.  The point is, you are exactly right that
>>>> the blind have been fighting, and getting arrested, and going to jail,
>>>> for years over our right to have our mobility devices, and we've won
>>>> some, and lost many others.  I think we need to figure out where to
>>>> focus our energies to maximize independence while recognizing that we
>>>> face a very difficult environment in which to make our arguments when it
>>> comes to security.
> 
>>>> Heck, we still don't, and maybe never will, have the right to sit in
>>>> the emergency row -- now that makes me feel more like a child than does
>>>> a quick guide through the magnetometer .
> 
>>>> Not long ago Dr. Fred Schoeder was denied the right to fly to a meeting
>>>> because he was traveling alone... Granted, this was not in the United
>>>> States, but that kind of right of freedom of movement, is something I'm
>>>> willing to lie down on the tarmac for and go to jail.... Maybe not a
>>>> jail in Thailand, though *smile*
> 
>>>> In any case, I don't think Alicia, or any of us, are trying to miminize
>>>> the fight we all face.
> 
>>>> Brian M
> 
> 
> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 11:30 AM
>>>> To: Alicia Richards; NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando
> 
>>>> Hello Alicia and everyone,
> 
>>>> The next time you pass through a TSA Check point we'll cut both of your
>>>> feet off and demand that you walk through like anyone else. Blind
>>>> people have fought long and hard to be allowed to keep their canes and
>>>> dogs with them at all times while passing through TSA check points and 
>>>> on
>>> planes themselves.
>>>> Blind people were arrested and went to jail to insure these rights are
>>>> protected and we don't need our own people telling us that it's not a
>>>> big deal.
> 
>>>> Peter Donahue who along with Mary took their last flight ever on a
>>>> commercial airliner and can look forward to avoiding TSA screeners in
>>>> the future!
> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Alicia Richards" <alicianfb at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 11:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando
> 
> 
>>>> I agree with Mike and others here.  Yes, the TSA has been given too
>>>> much power.  It's shameful that they can perform such invasive
>>>> patdowns, violating one's personal space and dignity.  but as Ryan
>>>> said, that's not a blindness issue: they can do that to anyone.  And,
>>>> I've never understood people's issue with giving up their cane for 30
>>>> seconds, taking someone's hand to walk five steps through the security
>>>> check, and then have their cane handed right back to them.  I question
>>>> someone's mobility training if they are unable to walk five steps
>>>> without their cane, and also can't help but wonder if they're
>>>> exhibiting what I believe was once called, "rebellious independence,"
>>>> by refusing to take the hand or arm of a TSA official for that very
>>>> brief time.  But to each their own.  Joseph, I'll be curious if you get 
>>>> a
>>> reply from Scott LaBarre about this?
> 
>>>> Alicia
> 
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