[nfb-talk] Fwd: Why did the National Federation of the BlindCondemns Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire?

Mike Freeman k7uij at panix.com
Tue Oct 4 20:44:48 UTC 2011


I suspect Dr. Maurer can defend himself if he thinks it's important.

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone


On Oct 4, 2011, at 13:35, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:

> We wouldn't have had the issue, if the guy didn't insult Dr Maurer.
> Blessings, Joshua
> 
> On 10/4/11, Jeanette Fortin <jeanette at fortin-home.com> wrote:
>> well hum, i think insulting folks just because  they disagree with you
>> doesn't show too much intelligence either, this fellow is entitled to his
>> opinion after all and whether you agree with im or not you are entitled to
>> your opinion. jeanette
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Why did the National Federation of the
>> BlindCondemns Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire?
>> 
>> 
>>> Why waste our time with this?  Nothing new from the simple minded sapps
>>> who oppose us surely?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 2:45 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>> Look at what this idiot just sent, to the entire NFB of Arkansas!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: terrysteve at suddenlink.net
>>>> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:59:48 -0500
>>>> Subject: Why did the National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of
>>>> Access to New Kindle Fire?
>>>> To: tosheeler at cox.net, bkshfreeman at gmail.com, bfreeman0420 at gmail.com,
>>>> vtscott at cox.net, leaann1967 at gmail.com, j.scholes at sbcglobal.net,
>>>> bogan1265 at yahoo.com, geofynder at gmail.com, Gogetm00 at aol.com,
>>>> hayleyksch at gmail.com, dave.mehler at gmail.com, walkercutoff at att.net,
>>>> Donna.Walker at arkansas.gov, Matt.Lyles at arkansas.gov,
>>>> lyles_j at sbcglobal.net, honestblindman at gmail.com, pat.nfb at att.net,
>>>> bkkindle at yahoo.com, Teddey3000 at aol.com, james.worley at cox.net,
>>>> twedwards1111 at gmail.com, anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com, deweycoursey at cox.net,
>>>> lizngraves at yahoo.com, erp at uark.edu, mika_hooper at yahoo.com,
>>>> Matteri at cox.net, donbrey at gmail.com, trinitymlovell at gmail.com,
>>>> clj_smith at yahoo.com, arspurplegirl at cox.net, delreal93 at yahoo.com,
>>>> ctroby at uark.edu, e.yarberry at gmail.com, jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu,
>>>> gvwright2 at juno.com, lhwayland at sbcglobal.net, joshcrunkleton at gmail.com,
>>>> showard826 at gmail.com, jsexson at live.com, sflesher at yahoo.com,
>>>> diane403bill at suddenlink.net, abhoxeng at yahoo.com, hoxeng at aol.com,
>>>> barefootinar at yahoo.com, peter-hoffman at att.net, kaylaltodd at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> Get a grip folks! There are many devices designed, manufactured and sold
>>>> that are not "blind friendly". And rightly so! It was stated that "The
>>>> feasibility of including accessibility in similar products has been
>>>> demonstrated." As a result of this statement there must be devices of
>>>> this
>>>> nature that are "blind friendly". So the blind apparently do have this
>>>> technology available to them. And just to put a point on it, the Kindle
>>>> Fire
>>>> is a PERSONAL devise, not a community device. There are dozens of devices
>>>> that use touch screens. None of these are "blind friendly". I doubt if
>>>> the
>>>> technology now exists to make them "blind friendly".
>>>> 
>>>> This tirade by Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of
>>>> the
>>>> Blind, is typical of individuals that get so fanatical about  an issue
>>>> they
>>>> have loose touch with the reality of the real world in their unrealistic
>>>> search for and unworldly and unobtainable utopia. I have books on my
>>>> shelf
>>>> that the blind cannot read; must all my books be audio? I have clocks in
>>>> my
>>>> home that the blind cannot use to tell the time; must all my clocks be
>>>> talking. I drive a car that the blind cannot drive. This is not me being
>>>> unsympathetic to the blind or to the cause of the blind, it is me being
>>>> realistic in my reality. There is technology that the blind cannot use
>>>> because they are blind. Sorry, FACT! There is technology that cannot be
>>>> made
>>>> available to the blind due to our level of technology at this time. Touch
>>>> screens in use by many devices again come to mind. Can't we focus on what
>>>> can be done and what needs to be done. Not on minor issues as that below?
>>>> 
>>>> Dr. Maurer should rethink his position regarding Amazon, waste not his
>>>> energy on such nonsense and concentrate on those things which actually
>>>> help
>>>> our cause. Senselessly attacking anything that is not "blind friendly"
>>>> actually hurts the cause. Using some common sense in choosing the issues
>>>> to
>>>> tackle is important to our cause.
>>>> 
>>>> Lets tone down the rhetoric and concentrate on issues that help our blind
>>>> friends and make the public aware of their real needs and not insist on
>>>> unnecessary requirements that turn the public against us and out cause
>>>> and
>>>> make us look like foolish fanatics. Stop hurting our cause with self
>>>> serving
>>>> rhetoric.
>>>> 
>>>> Steve Terry
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <tosheeler at cox.net>
>>>> To: <bkshfreeman at gmail.com>; <bfreeman0420 at gmail.com>; <vtscott at cox.net>;
>>>> <leaann1967 at gmail.com>; <j.scholes at sbcglobal.net>; <bogan1265 at yahoo.com>;
>>>> <geofynder at gmail.com>; <Gogetm00 at aol.com>; <hayleyksch at gmail.com>;
>>>> <dave.mehler at gmail.com>; <walkercutoff at att.net>;
>>>> <Donna.Walker at arkansas.gov>; <Matt.Lyles at arkansas.gov>;
>>>> <lyles_j at sbcglobal.net>; <honestblindman at gmail.com>; <pat.nfb at att.net>;
>>>> <bkkindle at yahoo.com>; <Teddey3000 at aol.com>; <james.worley at cox.net>;
>>>> <twedwards1111 at gmail.com>; <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>;
>>>> <deweycoursey at cox.net>;
>>>> <lizngraves at yahoo.com>; <erp at uark.edu>; <mika_hooper at yahoo.com>;
>>>> <Matteri at cox.net>; <donbrey at gmail.com>; <trinitymlovell at gmail.com>;
>>>> <clj_smith at yahoo.com>; <hayleyksch at gmail.com>; <arspurplegirl at cox.net>;
>>>> <delreal93 at yahoo.com>; <ctroby at uark.edu>; <e.yarberry at gmail.com>;
>>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>; <gvwright2 at juno.com>;
>>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>; <lhwayland at sbcglobal.net>;
>>>> <joshcrunkleton at gmail.com>; <showard826 at gmail.com>; <jsexson at live.com>;
>>>> <sflesher at yahoo.com>; <diane403bill at suddenlink.net>;
>>>> <abhoxeng at yahoo.com>;
>>>> <hoxeng at aol.com>; <barefootinar at yahoo.com>; <Terrysteve at suddenlink.net>;
>>>> <peter-hoffman at att.net>; <kaylaltodd at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 6:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Fwd: National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access to
>>>> New Kindle Fire
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> From: "Freeh, Jessica" <JFreeh at nfb.org>
>>>>> To: Alpidio Rolon <arguza at attglobal.net>, Amy Buresh
>>>>> <amy.buresh74 at gmail.com>,
>>>> Art Schreiber <blindart at samobile.net>, Beth Rival <erival at comcast.net>,
>>>> Bill
>>>> Packee <alaskanfb at yahoo.com>, Bob Kresmer <krezguy at cox.net>, Carl
>>>> Jacobsen
>>>> <office at nfbny.org>, Cassandra McNabb <cemcnabb21 at yahoo.com>, Cathy
>>>> Jackson
>>>> <cathyj at iglou.com>, Charlene Smyth <cs.nfbwv at verizon.net>, "Christine G.
>>>> Hall" <c.tessa4 at comcast.net>, Dan Hicks <danjhicks at yahoo.com>, Daniel
>>>> Burke
>>>> <burke.dall at gmail.com>, Don Galloway <dgalloway627 at gmail.com>, Donna Wood
>>>> <donnajwood at cox.net>, Duane Iverson <diverson at samobile.net>, Elsie
>>>> Dickerson
>>>> <elsiedickerson at ymail.com>, Frank Lee <francois57 at comcast.net>, Franklin
>>>> Shiner <fshiner at myfairpoint.net>, Fred Schroeder <fschroeder at sks.com>,
>>>> Garrick Scott <gscott at nfbga.org>, Gary Ray <ghraynfbofnc at charter.net>,
>>>> Gary
>>>> Wunder <gwunder at earthlink.net>, Grace Pires <silvara at cox.net>, "J.W.
>>>> Smith"
>>>> <jwsmithnfb at verizon.net>, James Antonacci <president at nfbp.org>, Jeannie
>>>> Massay <Jmassay1 at cox.net>, Jennifer Dunnam
>>>> <jennifer.dunnam1829 at gmail.com>,
>>>> Joe Ruffalo <nfbnj at yahoo.com>, John Batron <jbatron at maine.rr.com>, John
>>>> Fritz
>>>> <johnfritz at centurytel.net>, Joy Harris <joy.harris at dwx.com>, Joyce
>>>> Scanlan
>>>> <joyce.scanlan at earthlink.net>, Ken Rollman <gatorbumps at rushmore.com>, Kim
>>>> Williams <rkvend at aol.com>, Kimberly Flores <kflores at nfb-texas.org>, Larry
>>>> Posont <president.nfb.mi at gmail.com>, Lynn Majewski <majla at verizon.net>,
>>>> Mary
>>>> Willows <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>, Melissa Riccobono
>>>> <melissa at riccobono.us>,
>>>> Michael Barber <michael.NFBI at gmail.com>, Michael Freeman
>>>> <k7uij at panix.com>,
>>>> Mika Pyyhkala <pyyhkala at gmail.com>, Nani Fife <nanifife at aol.com>, Pam
>>>> Allen
>>>> <pallen at lcb-ruston.com>, Parnell Diggs <parnell at sccoast.net>, Patti Chang
>>>> <pattichang at att.net>, Rena Smith <realhappygirl1 at gmail.com>, Ron Brown
>>>> <rb15 at iquest.net>, "Gardner, Ron" <RGardner at nfb.org>, Sam Gleese
>>>> <SGleese at city.jackson.ms.us>, Scott LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>,
>>>> Terry
>>>> Sheeler <tosheeler at cox.net>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:50:08 -0700
>>>>> Subject: National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access to New
>>>> Kindle Fire
>>>>> 
>>>>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>>>>> 
>>>>> CONTACT:
>>>>> Chris Danielsen
>>>>> Director of Public Relations
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330
>>>>> (410) 262-1281 (Cell)
>>>>> cdanielsen at nfb.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind Condemns
>>>>> Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire
>>>>> 
>>>>> Baltimore, Maryland (September 29, 2011): The National Federation of the
>>>>> Blind commented today on the release of Amazon's new Kindle Fire, which
>>>>> cannot be used by people who are blind.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind,
>>>>> said:
>>>>> "Blind Americans have repeatedly asked Amazon to include accessibility
>>>>> for
>>>>> the blind in its Kindle product line.  The feasibility of including
>>>>> accessibility in similar products has been demonstrated.  The Department
>>>>> of Education and the Department of Justice have made it clear that
>>>>> Kindle
>>>>> devices cannot be purchased by educational institutions, libraries, and
>>>>> other entities covered by this country's disability laws unless the
>>>>> devices are fully accessible.  Despite all this, Amazon has released a
>>>>> brand new Kindle device, the Kindle Fire, which cannot be used by people
>>>>> who are blind.  Enough!  We condemn this latest action by Amazon and
>>>>> reiterate that we will not tolerate technological discrimination.  The
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind seeks nothing less than equal access to
>>>>> all technology for blind people.  It is one of the most critical civil
>>>>> rights issues facing blind Americans in the twenty-first century, and we
>>>>> will do everything in our power to see that this right is secured."
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ###
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> About the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>> With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is
>>>>> the
>>>>> largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in
>>>>> the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives through
>>>>> advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging
>>>>> independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading force in the
>>>>> blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind.  In January
>>>>> 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan
>>>>> Institute, the first research and training center in the United States
>>>>> for
>>>>> the blind led by the blind.
>>>>> 
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