[nfb-talk] Fwd: Why did the National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire?
T. Joseph Carter
tjcarter at spiritsubstance.com
Tue Oct 4 23:25:14 UTC 2011
He sounded like a clueless sightie to me.
Seriously, Joshua, you're overreacting to this one message.
Joseph
On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 05:19:20PM -0500, Joshua Lester wrote:
>I didn't want to deal with him, right on, because he may have been a
>spammer, or some ACB plant, set up to attack us.
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 10/4/11, T. Joseph Carter <tjcarter at spiritsubstance.com> wrote:
>> People should feel free to criticize Dr. Maurer or anyone else they
>> like. It won't make them right, and this guy is obviously dead wrong
>> and too ignorant to even know WHY he's dead wrong.
>>
>> But you could've educated him. He didn't know that Amazon's Kindle
>> was already an audio book reader. He thought it was a printed book
>> reader. It does that too, but we didn't so much care about the
>> Kindle when that's all it did.
>>
>> You didn't educate him. And no, I'm not one of those Federationists
>> who believe you have some moral obligation to educate every fool who
>> wanders on to our lists, but the option existed and would've been to
>> the benefit of the blind if you had.
>>
>> I've a temper of my own, and there are certain individuals who have
>> managed to irk me enough that I've pretty much always got a short
>> fuse where they're concerned. But don't let yourself put any one
>> person on such a pedestal that they can do no wrong. They'll sooner
>> or later disappoint you. Even Dr. Maurer, I'm sure.
>>
>> Friendly advice, perhaps worth only what you paid for it. *smile*
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 03:27:00PM -0500, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>I support the NFB, and love everything we stand for.
>>>I'll just tell all, right here.
>>>I was interested in the other group, because I was exposed to it, at
>>>LWSB in Little Rock, Arkansas.
>>>I went home, and did my research, and didn't like what I found.
>>>I found the NFB, (thanks, to my former Braille instructor.)
>>>Now, I've found a home, and I love my NFB family.
>>>I met Dr Maurer, last year, in Dallas.
>>>That was my first convention.
>>>I wouldn't have come out, as hard as I did, if this fool hadn't have
>>>criticized Dr Maurer.
>>>That, was the last straw!
>>>These people shouldn't come on here, and criticize what we stand for.
>>>Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>>On 10/4/11, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> mad as you are, you are another example of how nobody can have a
>>>> different
>>>> opinion on these lists.
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:12 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Why did the National Federation of the Blind
>>>> Condemns Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Those creeps shouldn't even have access to our lists!
>>>>> Those losers are a waste of time, but I'm tired of crazies getting on
>>>>> our
>>>>> lists!
>>>>> We had a similar baffoon, on the NABS list, as well.
>>>>> I'm glad he got banned!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/4/11, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Why waste our time with this? Nothing new from the simple minded sapps
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> oppose us surely?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 2:45 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>>>> Look at what this idiot just sent, to the entire NFB of Arkansas!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: terrysteve at suddenlink.net
>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:59:48 -0500
>>>>>>> Subject: Why did the National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of
>>>>>>> Access to New Kindle Fire?
>>>>>>> To: tosheeler at cox.net, bkshfreeman at gmail.com, bfreeman0420 at gmail.com,
>>>>>>> vtscott at cox.net, leaann1967 at gmail.com, j.scholes at sbcglobal.net,
>>>>>>> bogan1265 at yahoo.com, geofynder at gmail.com, Gogetm00 at aol.com,
>>>>>>> hayleyksch at gmail.com, dave.mehler at gmail.com, walkercutoff at att.net,
>>>>>>> Donna.Walker at arkansas.gov, Matt.Lyles at arkansas.gov,
>>>>>>> lyles_j at sbcglobal.net, honestblindman at gmail.com, pat.nfb at att.net,
>>>>>>> bkkindle at yahoo.com, Teddey3000 at aol.com, james.worley at cox.net,
>>>>>>> twedwards1111 at gmail.com, anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com, deweycoursey at cox.net,
>>>>>>> lizngraves at yahoo.com, erp at uark.edu, mika_hooper at yahoo.com,
>>>>>>> Matteri at cox.net, donbrey at gmail.com, trinitymlovell at gmail.com,
>>>>>>> clj_smith at yahoo.com, arspurplegirl at cox.net, delreal93 at yahoo.com,
>>>>>>> ctroby at uark.edu, e.yarberry at gmail.com, jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu,
>>>>>>> gvwright2 at juno.com, lhwayland at sbcglobal.net, joshcrunkleton at gmail.com,
>>>>>>> showard826 at gmail.com, jsexson at live.com, sflesher at yahoo.com,
>>>>>>> diane403bill at suddenlink.net, abhoxeng at yahoo.com, hoxeng at aol.com,
>>>>>>> barefootinar at yahoo.com, peter-hoffman at att.net, kaylaltodd at gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Get a grip folks! There are many devices designed, manufactured and
>>>>>>> sold
>>>>>>> that are not "blind friendly". And rightly so! It was stated that "The
>>>>>>> feasibility of including accessibility in similar products has been
>>>>>>> demonstrated." As a result of this statement there must be devices of
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> nature that are "blind friendly". So the blind apparently do have this
>>>>>>> technology available to them. And just to put a point on it, the
>>>>>>> Kindle
>>>>>>> Fire
>>>>>>> is a PERSONAL devise, not a community device. There are dozens of
>>>>>>> devices
>>>>>>> that use touch screens. None of these are "blind friendly". I doubt if
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> technology now exists to make them "blind friendly".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This tirade by Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Blind, is typical of individuals that get so fanatical about an issue
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> have loose touch with the reality of the real world in their
>>>>>>> unrealistic
>>>>>>> search for and unworldly and unobtainable utopia. I have books on my
>>>>>>> shelf
>>>>>>> that the blind cannot read; must all my books be audio? I have clocks
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> home that the blind cannot use to tell the time; must all my clocks be
>>>>>>> talking. I drive a car that the blind cannot drive. This is not me
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> unsympathetic to the blind or to the cause of the blind, it is me
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> realistic in my reality. There is technology that the blind cannot use
>>>>>>> because they are blind. Sorry, FACT! There is technology that cannot
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>> available to the blind due to our level of technology at this time.
>>>>>>> Touch
>>>>>>> screens in use by many devices again come to mind. Can't we focus on
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> can be done and what needs to be done. Not on minor issues as that
>>>>>>> below?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr. Maurer should rethink his position regarding Amazon, waste not his
>>>>>>> energy on such nonsense and concentrate on those things which actually
>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>> our cause. Senselessly attacking anything that is not "blind friendly"
>>>>>>> actually hurts the cause. Using some common sense in choosing the
>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> tackle is important to our cause.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lets tone down the rhetoric and concentrate on issues that help our
>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>> friends and make the public aware of their real needs and not insist
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> unnecessary requirements that turn the public against us and out cause
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> make us look like foolish fanatics. Stop hurting our cause with self
>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>> rhetoric.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve Terry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: <tosheeler at cox.net>
>>>>>>> To: <bkshfreeman at gmail.com>; <bfreeman0420 at gmail.com>;
>>>>>>> <vtscott at cox.net>;
>>>>>>> <leaann1967 at gmail.com>; <j.scholes at sbcglobal.net>;
>>>>>>> <bogan1265 at yahoo.com>;
>>>>>>> <geofynder at gmail.com>; <Gogetm00 at aol.com>; <hayleyksch at gmail.com>;
>>>>>>> <dave.mehler at gmail.com>; <walkercutoff at att.net>;
>>>>>>> <Donna.Walker at arkansas.gov>; <Matt.Lyles at arkansas.gov>;
>>>>>>> <lyles_j at sbcglobal.net>; <honestblindman at gmail.com>;
>>>>>>> <pat.nfb at att.net>;
>>>>>>> <bkkindle at yahoo.com>; <Teddey3000 at aol.com>; <james.worley at cox.net>;
>>>>>>> <twedwards1111 at gmail.com>; <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>;
>>>>>>> <deweycoursey at cox.net>;
>>>>>>> <lizngraves at yahoo.com>; <erp at uark.edu>; <mika_hooper at yahoo.com>;
>>>>>>> <Matteri at cox.net>; <donbrey at gmail.com>; <trinitymlovell at gmail.com>;
>>>>>>> <clj_smith at yahoo.com>; <hayleyksch at gmail.com>;
>>>>>>> <arspurplegirl at cox.net>;
>>>>>>> <delreal93 at yahoo.com>; <ctroby at uark.edu>; <e.yarberry at gmail.com>;
>>>>>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>; <gvwright2 at juno.com>;
>>>>>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>; <lhwayland at sbcglobal.net>;
>>>>>>> <joshcrunkleton at gmail.com>; <showard826 at gmail.com>;
>>>>>>> <jsexson at live.com>;
>>>>>>> <sflesher at yahoo.com>; <diane403bill at suddenlink.net>;
>>>>>>> <abhoxeng at yahoo.com>;
>>>>>>> <hoxeng at aol.com>; <barefootinar at yahoo.com>;
>>>>>>> <Terrysteve at suddenlink.net>;
>>>>>>> <peter-hoffman at att.net>; <kaylaltodd at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 6:19 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> New Kindle Fire
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: "Freeh, Jessica" <JFreeh at nfb.org>
>>>>>>>> To: Alpidio Rolon <arguza at attglobal.net>, Amy Buresh
>>>>>>>> <amy.buresh74 at gmail.com>,
>>>>>>> Art Schreiber <blindart at samobile.net>, Beth Rival
>>>>>>> <erival at comcast.net>,
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>> Packee <alaskanfb at yahoo.com>, Bob Kresmer <krezguy at cox.net>, Carl
>>>>>>> Jacobsen
>>>>>>> <office at nfbny.org>, Cassandra McNabb <cemcnabb21 at yahoo.com>, Cathy
>>>>>>> Jackson
>>>>>>> <cathyj at iglou.com>, Charlene Smyth <cs.nfbwv at verizon.net>, "Christine
>>>>>>> G.
>>>>>>> Hall" <c.tessa4 at comcast.net>, Dan Hicks <danjhicks at yahoo.com>, Daniel
>>>>>>> Burke
>>>>>>> <burke.dall at gmail.com>, Don Galloway <dgalloway627 at gmail.com>, Donna
>>>>>>> Wood
>>>>>>> <donnajwood at cox.net>, Duane Iverson <diverson at samobile.net>, Elsie
>>>>>>> Dickerson
>>>>>>> <elsiedickerson at ymail.com>, Frank Lee <francois57 at comcast.net>,
>>>>>>> Franklin
>>>>>>> Shiner <fshiner at myfairpoint.net>, Fred Schroeder <fschroeder at sks.com>,
>>>>>>> Garrick Scott <gscott at nfbga.org>, Gary Ray <ghraynfbofnc at charter.net>,
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>> Wunder <gwunder at earthlink.net>, Grace Pires <silvara at cox.net>, "J.W.
>>>>>>> Smith"
>>>>>>> <jwsmithnfb at verizon.net>, James Antonacci <president at nfbp.org>,
>>>>>>> Jeannie
>>>>>>> Massay <Jmassay1 at cox.net>, Jennifer Dunnam
>>>>>>> <jennifer.dunnam1829 at gmail.com>,
>>>>>>> Joe Ruffalo <nfbnj at yahoo.com>, John Batron <jbatron at maine.rr.com>,
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>> Fritz
>>>>>>> <johnfritz at centurytel.net>, Joy Harris <joy.harris at dwx.com>, Joyce
>>>>>>> Scanlan
>>>>>>> <joyce.scanlan at earthlink.net>, Ken Rollman <gatorbumps at rushmore.com>,
>>>>>>> Kim
>>>>>>> Williams <rkvend at aol.com>, Kimberly Flores <kflores at nfb-texas.org>,
>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>> Posont <president.nfb.mi at gmail.com>, Lynn Majewski
>>>>>>> <majla at verizon.net>,
>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>> Willows <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>, Melissa Riccobono
>>>>>>> <melissa at riccobono.us>,
>>>>>>> Michael Barber <michael.NFBI at gmail.com>, Michael Freeman
>>>>>>> <k7uij at panix.com>,
>>>>>>> Mika Pyyhkala <pyyhkala at gmail.com>, Nani Fife <nanifife at aol.com>, Pam
>>>>>>> Allen
>>>>>>> <pallen at lcb-ruston.com>, Parnell Diggs <parnell at sccoast.net>, Patti
>>>>>>> Chang
>>>>>>> <pattichang at att.net>, Rena Smith <realhappygirl1 at gmail.com>, Ron Brown
>>>>>>> <rb15 at iquest.net>, "Gardner, Ron" <RGardner at nfb.org>, Sam Gleese
>>>>>>> <SGleese at city.jackson.ms.us>, Scott LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>,
>>>>>>> Terry
>>>>>>> Sheeler <tosheeler at cox.net>
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:50:08 -0700
>>>>>>>> Subject: National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access to
>>>>>>>> New
>>>>>>> Kindle Fire
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CONTACT:
>>>>>>>> Chris Danielsen
>>>>>>>> Director of Public Relations
>>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330
>>>>>>>> (410) 262-1281 (Cell)
>>>>>>>> cdanielsen at nfb.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind Condemns
>>>>>>>> Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Baltimore, Maryland (September 29, 2011): The National Federation of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Blind commented today on the release of Amazon's new Kindle Fire,
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> cannot be used by people who are blind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind,
>>>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>>> "Blind Americans have repeatedly asked Amazon to include
>>>>>>>> accessibility
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the blind in its Kindle product line. The feasibility of including
>>>>>>>> accessibility in similar products has been demonstrated. The
>>>>>>>> Department
>>>>>>>> of Education and the Department of Justice have made it clear that
>>>>>>>> Kindle
>>>>>>>> devices cannot be purchased by educational institutions, libraries,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> other entities covered by this country's disability laws unless the
>>>>>>>> devices are fully accessible. Despite all this, Amazon has released
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> brand new Kindle device, the Kindle Fire, which cannot be used by
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> who are blind. Enough! We condemn this latest action by Amazon and
>>>>>>>> reiterate that we will not tolerate technological discrimination.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind seeks nothing less than equal access
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> all technology for blind people. It is one of the most critical
>>>>>>>> civil
>>>>>>>> rights issues facing blind Americans in the twenty-first century, and
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> will do everything in our power to see that this right is secured."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ###
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> About the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>> With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> largest and most influential membership organization of blind people
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through
>>>>>>>> advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging
>>>>>>>> independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the
>>>>>>>> blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In
>>>>>>>> January
>>>>>>>> 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan
>>>>>>>> Institute, the first research and training center in the United
>>>>>>>> States
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the blind led by the blind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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