[nfb-talk] Fwd: Why did the National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire?

[David Andrews]

Josh,  Please tone down the rhetoric.  It serves no useful purpose, 
and this will come as a shock to you, but some people on our lists 
consider you to be a crazy, so you may want to think about how you 
say some of the things you say.

Dave

At 03:12 PM 10/4/2011, you wrote:
>Those creeps shouldn't even have access to our lists!
>Those losers are a waste of time, but I'm tired of crazies getting 
>on our lists!
>We had a similar baffoon, on the NABS list, as well.
>I'm glad he got banned!
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 10/4/11, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
> > Why waste our time with this?  Nothing new from the simple minded sapps who
> > oppose us surely?
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >
> > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> >
> > Skype name:
> > barefootedray
> >
> > Facebook:
> > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 4, 2011, at 2:45 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
> >> Look at what this idiot just sent, to the entire NFB of Arkansas!
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: terrysteve at suddenlink.net
> >> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:59:48 -0500
> >> Subject: Why did the National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of
> >> Access to New Kindle Fire?
> >> To: tosheeler at cox.net, bkshfreeman at gmail.com, bfreeman0420 at gmail.com,
> >> vtscott at cox.net, leaann1967 at gmail.com, j.scholes at sbcglobal.net,
> >> bogan1265 at yahoo.com, geofynder at gmail.com, Gogetm00 at aol.com,
> >> hayleyksch at gmail.com, dave.mehler at gmail.com, walkercutoff at att.net,
> >> Donna.Walker at arkansas.gov, Matt.Lyles at arkansas.gov,
> >> lyles_j at sbcglobal.net, honestblindman at gmail.com, pat.nfb at att.net,
> >> bkkindle at yahoo.com, Teddey3000 at aol.com, james.worley at cox.net,
> >> twedwards1111 at gmail.com, anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com, deweycoursey at cox.net,
> >> lizngraves at yahoo.com, erp at uark.edu, mika_hooper at yahoo.com,
> >> Matteri at cox.net, donbrey at gmail.com, trinitymlovell at gmail.com,
> >> clj_smith at yahoo.com, arspurplegirl at cox.net, delreal93 at yahoo.com,
> >> ctroby at uark.edu, e.yarberry at gmail.com, jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu,
> >> gvwright2 at juno.com, lhwayland at sbcglobal.net, joshcrunkleton at gmail.com,
> >> showard826 at gmail.com, jsexson at live.com, sflesher at yahoo.com,
> >> diane403bill at suddenlink.net, abhoxeng at yahoo.com, hoxeng at aol.com,
> >> barefootinar at yahoo.com, peter-hoffman at att.net, kaylaltodd at gmail.com
> >>
> >> Get a grip folks! There are many devices designed, manufactured and sold
> >> that are not "blind friendly". And rightly so! It was stated that "The
> >> feasibility of including accessibility in similar products has been
> >> demonstrated." As a result of this statement there must be devices of this
> >> nature that are "blind friendly". So the blind apparently do have this
> >> technology available to them. And just to put a point on it, the Kindle
> >> Fire
> >> is a PERSONAL devise, not a community device. There are dozens of devices
> >> that use touch screens. None of these are "blind friendly". I doubt if the
> >> technology now exists to make them "blind friendly".
> >>
> >> This tirade by Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of
> >> the
> >> Blind, is typical of individuals that get so fanatical about  an issue
> >> they
> >> have loose touch with the reality of the real world in their unrealistic
> >> search for and unworldly and unobtainable utopia. I have books on my shelf
> >> that the blind cannot read; must all my books be audio? I have clocks in
> >> my
> >> home that the blind cannot use to tell the time; must all my clocks be
> >> talking. I drive a car that the blind cannot drive. This is not me being
> >> unsympathetic to the blind or to the cause of the blind, it is me being
> >> realistic in my reality. There is technology that the blind cannot use
> >> because they are blind. Sorry, FACT! There is technology that cannot be
> >> made
> >> available to the blind due to our level of technology at this time. Touch
> >> screens in use by many devices again come to mind. Can't we focus on what
> >> can be done and what needs to be done. Not on minor issues as that below?
> >>
> >> Dr. Maurer should rethink his position regarding Amazon, waste not his
> >> energy on such nonsense and concentrate on those things which actually
> >> help
> >> our cause. Senselessly attacking anything that is not "blind friendly"
> >> actually hurts the cause. Using some common sense in choosing the issues
> >> to
> >> tackle is important to our cause.
> >>
> >> Lets tone down the rhetoric and concentrate on issues that help our blind
> >> friends and make the public aware of their real needs and not insist on
> >> unnecessary requirements that turn the public against us and out cause and
> >> make us look like foolish fanatics. Stop hurting our cause with self
> >> serving
> >> rhetoric.
> >>
> >> Steve Terry
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <tosheeler at cox.net>
> >> To: <bkshfreeman at gmail.com>; <bfreeman0420 at gmail.com>; <vtscott at cox.net>;
> >> <leaann1967 at gmail.com>; <j.scholes at sbcglobal.net>; <bogan1265 at yahoo.com>;
> >> <geofynder at gmail.com>; <Gogetm00 at aol.com>; <hayleyksch at gmail.com>;
> >> <dave.mehler at gmail.com>; <walkercutoff at att.net>;
> >> <Donna.Walker at arkansas.gov>; <Matt.Lyles at arkansas.gov>;
> >> <lyles_j at sbcglobal.net>; <honestblindman at gmail.com>; <pat.nfb at att.net>;
> >> <bkkindle at yahoo.com>; <Teddey3000 at aol.com>; <james.worley at cox.net>;
> >> <twedwards1111 at gmail.com>; <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>;
> >> <deweycoursey at cox.net>;
> >> <lizngraves at yahoo.com>; <erp at uark.edu>; <mika_hooper at yahoo.com>;
> >> <Matteri at cox.net>; <donbrey at gmail.com>; <trinitymlovell at gmail.com>;
> >> <clj_smith at yahoo.com>; <hayleyksch at gmail.com>; <arspurplegirl at cox.net>;
> >> <delreal93 at yahoo.com>; <ctroby at uark.edu>; <e.yarberry at gmail.com>;
> >> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>; <gvwright2 at juno.com>;
> >> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>; <lhwayland at sbcglobal.net>;
> >> <joshcrunkleton at gmail.com>; <showard826 at gmail.com>; <jsexson at live.com>;
> >> <sflesher at yahoo.com>; <diane403bill at suddenlink.net>; <abhoxeng at yahoo.com>;
> >> <hoxeng at aol.com>; <barefootinar at yahoo.com>; <Terrysteve at suddenlink.net>;
> >> <peter-hoffman at att.net>; <kaylaltodd at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 6:19 PM
> >> Subject: Fwd: National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access to
> >> New Kindle Fire
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: "Freeh, Jessica" <JFreeh at nfb.org>
> >>> To: Alpidio Rolon <arguza at attglobal.net>, Amy Buresh
> >>> <amy.buresh74 at gmail.com>,
> >> Art Schreiber <blindart at samobile.net>, Beth Rival <erival at comcast.net>,
> >> Bill
> >> Packee <alaskanfb at yahoo.com>, Bob Kresmer <krezguy at cox.net>, Carl Jacobsen
> >> <office at nfbny.org>, Cassandra McNabb <cemcnabb21 at yahoo.com>, Cathy Jackson
> >> <cathyj at iglou.com>, Charlene Smyth <cs.nfbwv at verizon.net>, "Christine G.
> >> Hall" <c.tessa4 at comcast.net>, Dan Hicks <danjhicks at yahoo.com>, Daniel
> >> Burke
> >> <burke.dall at gmail.com>, Don Galloway <dgalloway627 at gmail.com>, Donna Wood
> >> <donnajwood at cox.net>, Duane Iverson <diverson at samobile.net>, Elsie
> >> Dickerson
> >> <elsiedickerson at ymail.com>, Frank Lee <francois57 at comcast.net>, Franklin
> >> Shiner <fshiner at myfairpoint.net>, Fred Schroeder <fschroeder at sks.com>,
> >> Garrick Scott <gscott at nfbga.org>, Gary Ray <ghraynfbofnc at charter.net>,
> >> Gary
> >> Wunder <gwunder at earthlink.net>, Grace Pires <silvara at cox.net>, "J.W.
> >> Smith"
> >> <jwsmithnfb at verizon.net>, James Antonacci <president at nfbp.org>, Jeannie
> >> Massay <Jmassay1 at cox.net>, Jennifer Dunnam
> >> <jennifer.dunnam1829 at gmail.com>,
> >> Joe Ruffalo <nfbnj at yahoo.com>, John Batron <jbatron at maine.rr.com>, John
> >> Fritz
> >> <johnfritz at centurytel.net>, Joy Harris <joy.harris at dwx.com>, Joyce Scanlan
> >> <joyce.scanlan at earthlink.net>, Ken Rollman <gatorbumps at rushmore.com>, Kim
> >> Williams <rkvend at aol.com>, Kimberly Flores <kflores at nfb-texas.org>, Larry
> >> Posont <president.nfb.mi at gmail.com>, Lynn Majewski <majla at verizon.net>,
> >> Mary
> >> Willows <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>, Melissa Riccobono
> >> <melissa at riccobono.us>,
> >> Michael Barber <michael.NFBI at gmail.com>, Michael Freeman
> >> <k7uij at panix.com>,
> >> Mika Pyyhkala <pyyhkala at gmail.com>, Nani Fife <nanifife at aol.com>, Pam
> >> Allen
> >> <pallen at lcb-ruston.com>, Parnell Diggs <parnell at sccoast.net>, Patti Chang
> >> <pattichang at att.net>, Rena Smith <realhappygirl1 at gmail.com>, Ron Brown
> >> <rb15 at iquest.net>, "Gardner, Ron" <RGardner at nfb.org>, Sam Gleese
> >> <SGleese at city.jackson.ms.us>, Scott LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>,
> >> Terry
> >> Sheeler <tosheeler at cox.net>
> >>> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:50:08 -0700
> >>> Subject: National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access to New
> >> Kindle Fire
> >>>
> >>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> >>>
> >>> CONTACT:
> >>> Chris Danielsen
> >>> Director of Public Relations
> >>> National Federation of the Blind
> >>> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330
> >>> (410) 262-1281 (Cell)
> >>> cdanielsen at nfb.org
> >>>
> >>> National Federation of the Blind Condemns
> >>> Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire
> >>>
> >>> Baltimore, Maryland (September 29, 2011): The National Federation of the
> >>> Blind commented today on the release of Amazon's new Kindle Fire, which
> >>> cannot be used by people who are blind.
> >>>
> >>> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said:
> >>> "Blind Americans have repeatedly asked Amazon to include accessibility
> >>> for
> >>> the blind in its Kindle product line.  The feasibility of including
> >>> accessibility in similar products has been demonstrated.  The Department
> >>> of Education and the Department of Justice have made it clear that Kindle
> >>> devices cannot be purchased by educational institutions, libraries, and
> >>> other entities covered by this country's disability laws unless the
> >>> devices are fully accessible.  Despite all this, Amazon has released a
> >>> brand new Kindle device, the Kindle Fire, which cannot be used by people
> >>> who are blind.  Enough!  We condemn this latest action by Amazon and
> >>> reiterate that we will not tolerate technological discrimination.  The
> >>> National Federation of the Blind seeks nothing less than equal access to
> >>> all technology for blind people.  It is one of the most critical civil
> >>> rights issues facing blind Americans in the twenty-first century, and we
> >>> will do everything in our power to see that this right is secured."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ###
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> About the National Federation of the Blind
> >>> With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is
> >>> the
> >>> largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in
> >>> the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives through
> >>> advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging
> >>> independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading force in the
> >>> blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind.  In January
> >>> 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan
> >>> Institute, the first research and training center in the United States
> >>> for
> >>> the blind led by the blind.