[nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 17
PATRICK GORMLEY
kk3f at msn.com
Mon Apr 2 01:22:13 UTC 2012
Back in the 1975 banquet speech Dr. Jernigan put it quite secinctlyput 100
of us with 100 of them and I think we will acquit ourselves with credit and
pleasure probably with volunteers to spare.
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> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 19:32:02 -0500
> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
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> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blindness and Sexuality
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> Mike, great stuff! Now, you wrote this, right...love it!
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Bullis
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 7:26 PM
> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: [nfb-talk] Blindness and Sexuality
>
> Considering the date, this is well written.
>
> Mike
>
> Blindness and Sexuality: Researching Myths and Facts Summary Report:
>
> Distributed by: National Data Distribution Center (NDDC)
>
> April 1, 2009
>
> Atlanta Georgia
>
>
>
> The two hundredth anniversary of the birth of Louis Braille is being
> celebrated by the US mint with the production of a silver coin
> commemorating
> the man who created the modern reading system used by many blind people.
> Unfortunately, although blind people work and live normal lives, they are
> still different in many ways and their experiences are a matter of
> curiosity
> amongst the sighted population. For most of us, the question, "What is it
> like to be blind?," has entered our minds more than once.
>
>
>
> Research, some of it useful and much of it not, about how people who are
> blind perceive the world, abounds. One of the more interesting topics of
> study is sexuality among the blind. The story, goes that blind people are
> incredible sexual partners--somehow being extremely sensitive to their
> partners and, being able to stimulate them far more than the average
> person.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Masters and Johnson were so intrigued by this subject that they collected
> data over several years from those who had had sex with blind people.
> Surprisingly, what they thought would be myths, turned out to be true. The
> results were stunning. On average, women rated their blind partners 9.1
> on
> a scale of 10. The average rating was five for sighted partners.
>
>
>
> "This research has been duplicated several times," says Author Mary Roach,
> author of, 2008 best seller, Bonk: the Curious Coupling of Science and
> Sex.
> The data hasn't attracted much attention because blindness is such a low
> incidence event. "We usually print things that have broad interest. And,
> even though this indicates that blind people are incredibly sexual, there
> aren't really enough of them to go around."
>
>
>
> Comments from sighted partners were astounding. "He seemed like he knew
> my
> soul," from a 23 year old female. "Her tongue knew just how to touch
> every
> part of me if you know what I mean," from a college male. One woman
> commented, "The things he could do with his fingers were beyond
> description
> in this survey. It's not that he was built bigger than other men, it just
> seemed like he touched me inside with it all over," she said with a shy
> smile.
>
>
>
> When William Masters was asked, in a 1971 interview, why he didn't draw
> more
> attention to these findings he said, "I didn't know anything about
> blindness. We were publishing information of general interest about
> sexuality and this just didn't fit that mold. Perhaps some day
> researchers
> will help us understand why blind people have such incredible sexual
> capacities and we'll be able to use that information to increase the
> abilities of others. Until then, a very few lucky men and women will
> experience the phenomena of sex with a blind person."
>
>
>
> There is a down side to this research. When interviewed, blind people
> generally expressed frustration about sexuality. Broadly speaking, they
> divided sighted people into three groups. First is the group who simply
> want to have sex with them for the thrill and experience of it. "We feel
> used," was the most common thing reported. second, was the group who
> simply
> couldn't see themselves with a blind husband or wife. "They want to be
> with
> us, but don't see us as fathers and mothers, for example," was often
> heard.
> the third group were those who "get it" as one blind man put it. "They
> can
> see beyond blindness and except us for who we are. Blindness just fades
> into the background and becomes another characteristic."
>
>
>
> The sad truth is that although blind people work, raise families, travel
> independently and generally speaking, live normal lives, the public
> perception is the opposite. The image of the helpless beggar still lurks
> in
> our minds. Sighted people report that the fear of blindness overwelms
> their
> rationality. "I know that I shouldn't let blindness interfere with how I
> think about my partner, but, I can't help it," said a young college
> student
> engaged to a blind physicist working at NASA. "Yes, he has money, and
> yes,
> he's sexy, and oh, my god, can he please me, if you know what I mean. The
> hardest thing is getting over this image of him as a helpless blind man.
> We
> sail, bike ride and horse back ride. I can't think of anything he can't
> do
> except drive, but, I'll admit, the image of a helpless blind man still
> haunts me. People look at him with such pity and I just want to scream,
> "You don't get it you fools."" But she admits that making the decision to
> mary is difficult.
>
>
>
> Chad, a young blind college student says he finds the whole sex thing a
> bit
> distracting. "Sure I can please women more than my sighted friends can,
> and
> frankly, it's because they just don't pay attention to women and what
> their
> bodies and hearts are saying. Women will tell you everything you need to
> know if you just listen and feel."
>
>
>
> We give you all of this information with the caviat that perhaps only one
> in
> six thousand people is an eligible blind man or woman, so, happy
> searching.
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:42:37 -0700
> From: "Gloria Whipple" <ladygloria at webband.com>
> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blindness and Sexuality
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> That is very good!
>
> Gloria Whipple
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Bullis
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 17:26
> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: [nfb-talk] Blindness and Sexuality
>
> Considering the date, this is well written.
>
> Mike
>
> Blindness and Sexuality: Researching Myths and Facts Summary Report:
>
> Distributed by: National Data Distribution Center (NDDC)
>
> April 1, 2009
>
> Atlanta Georgia
>
>
>
> The two hundredth anniversary of the birth of Louis Braille is being
> celebrated by the US mint with the production of a silver coin
> commemorating
> the man who created the modern reading system used by many blind people.
> Unfortunately, although blind people work and live normal lives, they are
> still different in many ways and their experiences are a matter of
> curiosity
> amongst the sighted population. For most of us, the question, "What is it
> like to be blind?," has entered our minds more than once.
>
>
>
> Research, some of it useful and much of it not, about how people who are
> blind perceive the world, abounds. One of the more interesting topics of
> study is sexuality among the blind. The story, goes that blind people are
> incredible sexual partners--somehow being extremely sensitive to their
> partners and, being able to stimulate them far more than the average
> person.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Masters and Johnson were so intrigued by this subject that they collected
> data over several years from those who had had sex with blind people.
> Surprisingly, what they thought would be myths, turned out to be true. The
> results were stunning. On average, women rated their blind partners 9.1
> on
> a scale of 10. The average rating was five for sighted partners.
>
>
>
> "This research has been duplicated several times," says Author Mary Roach,
> author of, 2008 best seller, Bonk: the Curious Coupling of Science and
> Sex.
> The data hasn't attracted much attention because blindness is such a low
> incidence event. "We usually print things that have broad interest. And,
> even though this indicates that blind people are incredibly sexual, there
> aren't really enough of them to go around."
>
>
>
> Comments from sighted partners were astounding. "He seemed like he knew
> my
> soul," from a 23 year old female. "Her tongue knew just how to touch
> every
> part of me if you know what I mean," from a college male. One woman
> commented, "The things he could do with his fingers were beyond
> description
> in this survey. It's not that he was built bigger than other men, it just
> seemed like he touched me inside with it all over," she said with a shy
> smile.
>
>
>
> When William Masters was asked, in a 1971 interview, why he didn't draw
> more
> attention to these findings he said, "I didn't know anything about
> blindness. We were publishing information of general interest about
> sexuality and this just didn't fit that mold. Perhaps some day
> researchers
> will help us understand why blind people have such incredible sexual
> capacities and we'll be able to use that information to increase the
> abilities of others. Until then, a very few lucky men and women will
> experience the phenomena of sex with a blind person."
>
>
>
> There is a down side to this research. When interviewed, blind people
> generally expressed frustration about sexuality. Broadly speaking, they
> divided sighted people into three groups. First is the group who simply
> want to have sex with them for the thrill and experience of it. "We feel
> used," was the most common thing reported. second, was the group who
> simply
> couldn't see themselves with a blind husband or wife. "They want to be
> with
> us, but don't see us as fathers and mothers, for example," was often
> heard.
> the third group were those who "get it" as one blind man put it. "They
> can
> see beyond blindness and except us for who we are. Blindness just fades
> into the background and becomes another characteristic."
>
>
>
> The sad truth is that although blind people work, raise families, travel
> independently and generally speaking, live normal lives, the public
> perception is the opposite. The image of the helpless beggar still lurks
> in
> our minds. Sighted people report that the fear of blindness overwelms
> their
> rationality. "I know that I shouldn't let blindness interfere with how I
> think about my partner, but, I can't help it," said a young college
> student
> engaged to a blind physicist working at NASA. "Yes, he has money, and
> yes,
> he's sexy, and oh, my god, can he please me, if you know what I mean. The
> hardest thing is getting over this image of him as a helpless blind man.
> We
> sail, bike ride and horse back ride. I can't think of anything he can't
> do
> except drive, but, I'll admit, the image of a helpless blind man still
> haunts me. People look at him with such pity and I just want to scream,
> "You don't get it you fools."" But she admits that making the decision to
> mary is difficult.
>
>
>
> Chad, a young blind college student says he finds the whole sex thing a
> bit
> distracting. "Sure I can please women more than my sighted friends can,
> and
> frankly, it's because they just don't pay attention to women and what
> their
> bodies and hearts are saying. Women will tell you everything you need to
> know if you just listen and feel."
>
>
>
> We give you all of this information with the caviat that perhaps only one
> in
> six thousand people is an eligible blind man or woman, so, happy
> searching.
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 20:44:54 -0400
> From: "Michael Bullis" <bullis.michael at gmail.com>
> To: <blinddog3 at charter.net>, "'NFB Talk Mailing List'"
> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blindness and Sexuality
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> Right.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Steven Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 8:32 PM
> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blindness and Sexuality
>
> Mike, great stuff! Now, you wrote this, right...love it!
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Bullis
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 7:26 PM
> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: [nfb-talk] Blindness and Sexuality
>
> Considering the date, this is well written.
>
> Mike
>
> Blindness and Sexuality: Researching Myths and Facts Summary Report:
>
> Distributed by: National Data Distribution Center (NDDC)
>
> April 1, 2009
>
> Atlanta Georgia
>
>
>
> The two hundredth anniversary of the birth of Louis Braille is being
> celebrated by the US mint with the production of a silver coin
> commemorating
> the man who created the modern reading system used by many blind people.
> Unfortunately, although blind people work and live normal lives, they are
> still different in many ways and their experiences are a matter of
> curiosity
> amongst the sighted population. For most of us, the question, "What is it
> like to be blind?," has entered our minds more than once.
>
>
>
> Research, some of it useful and much of it not, about how people who are
> blind perceive the world, abounds. One of the more interesting topics of
> study is sexuality among the blind. The story, goes that blind people are
> incredible sexual partners--somehow being extremely sensitive to their
> partners and, being able to stimulate them far more than the average
> person.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Masters and Johnson were so intrigued by this subject that they collected
> data over several years from those who had had sex with blind people.
> Surprisingly, what they thought would be myths, turned out to be true. The
> results were stunning. On average, women rated their blind partners 9.1
> on
> a scale of 10. The average rating was five for sighted partners.
>
>
>
> "This research has been duplicated several times," says Author Mary Roach,
> author of, 2008 best seller, Bonk: the Curious Coupling of Science and
> Sex.
> The data hasn't attracted much attention because blindness is such a low
> incidence event. "We usually print things that have broad interest. And,
> even though this indicates that blind people are incredibly sexual, there
> aren't really enough of them to go around."
>
>
>
> Comments from sighted partners were astounding. "He seemed like he knew
> my
> soul," from a 23 year old female. "Her tongue knew just how to touch
> every
> part of me if you know what I mean," from a college male. One woman
> commented, "The things he could do with his fingers were beyond
> description
> in this survey. It's not that he was built bigger than other men, it just
> seemed like he touched me inside with it all over," she said with a shy
> smile.
>
>
>
> When William Masters was asked, in a 1971 interview, why he didn't draw
> more
> attention to these findings he said, "I didn't know anything about
> blindness. We were publishing information of general interest about
> sexuality and this just didn't fit that mold. Perhaps some day
> researchers
> will help us understand why blind people have such incredible sexual
> capacities and we'll be able to use that information to increase the
> abilities of others. Until then, a very few lucky men and women will
> experience the phenomena of sex with a blind person."
>
>
>
> There is a down side to this research. When interviewed, blind people
> generally expressed frustration about sexuality. Broadly speaking, they
> divided sighted people into three groups. First is the group who simply
> want to have sex with them for the thrill and experience of it. "We feel
> used," was the most common thing reported. second, was the group who
> simply
> couldn't see themselves with a blind husband or wife. "They want to be
> with
> us, but don't see us as fathers and mothers, for example," was often
> heard.
> the third group were those who "get it" as one blind man put it. "They
> can
> see beyond blindness and except us for who we are. Blindness just fades
> into the background and becomes another characteristic."
>
>
>
> The sad truth is that although blind people work, raise families, travel
> independently and generally speaking, live normal lives, the public
> perception is the opposite. The image of the helpless beggar still lurks
> in
> our minds. Sighted people report that the fear of blindness overwelms
> their
> rationality. "I know that I shouldn't let blindness interfere with how I
> think about my partner, but, I can't help it," said a young college
> student
> engaged to a blind physicist working at NASA. "Yes, he has money, and
> yes,
> he's sexy, and oh, my god, can he please me, if you know what I mean. The
> hardest thing is getting over this image of him as a helpless blind man.
> We
> sail, bike ride and horse back ride. I can't think of anything he can't
> do
> except drive, but, I'll admit, the image of a helpless blind man still
> haunts me. People look at him with such pity and I just want to scream,
> "You don't get it you fools."" But she admits that making the decision to
> mary is difficult.
>
>
>
> Chad, a young blind college student says he finds the whole sex thing a
> bit
> distracting. "Sure I can please women more than my sighted friends can,
> and
> frankly, it's because they just don't pay attention to women and what
> their
> bodies and hearts are saying. Women will tell you everything you need to
> know if you just listen and feel."
>
>
>
> We give you all of this information with the caviat that perhaps only one
> in
> six thousand people is an eligible blind man or woman, so, happy
> searching.
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 20:52:17 -0400
> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blindness and Sexuality
> Message-ID: <BD79F30394A54B6A8AD68A808A302D5C at margoda7a829ca>
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> reply-type=original
>
> Very good, Mike.
>
> margo andArrow
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gloria Whipple" <ladygloria at webband.com>
> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 8:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Blindness and Sexuality
>
>
>> That is very good!
>>
>> Gloria Whipple
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Michael Bullis
>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 17:26
>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Blindness and Sexuality
>>
>> Considering the date, this is well written.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Blindness and Sexuality: Researching Myths and Facts Summary Report:
>>
>> Distributed by: National Data Distribution Center (NDDC)
>>
>> April 1, 2009
>>
>> Atlanta Georgia
>>
>>
>>
>> The two hundredth anniversary of the birth of Louis Braille is being
>> celebrated by the US mint with the production of a silver coin
>> commemorating
>> the man who created the modern reading system used by many blind people.
>> Unfortunately, although blind people work and live normal lives, they are
>> still different in many ways and their experiences are a matter of
>> curiosity
>> amongst the sighted population. For most of us, the question, "What is
>> it
>> like to be blind?," has entered our minds more than once.
>>
>>
>>
>> Research, some of it useful and much of it not, about how people who are
>> blind perceive the world, abounds. One of the more interesting topics of
>> study is sexuality among the blind. The story, goes that blind people
>> are
>> incredible sexual partners--somehow being extremely sensitive to their
>> partners and, being able to stimulate them far more than the average
>> person.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Masters and Johnson were so intrigued by this subject that they collected
>> data over several years from those who had had sex with blind people.
>> Surprisingly, what they thought would be myths, turned out to be true.
>> The
>> results were stunning. On average, women rated their blind partners 9.1
>> on
>> a scale of 10. The average rating was five for sighted partners.
>>
>>
>>
>> "This research has been duplicated several times," says Author Mary
>> Roach,
>> author of, 2008 best seller, Bonk: the Curious Coupling of Science and
>> Sex.
>> The data hasn't attracted much attention because blindness is such a low
>> incidence event. "We usually print things that have broad interest.
>> And,
>> even though this indicates that blind people are incredibly sexual, there
>> aren't really enough of them to go around."
>>
>>
>>
>> Comments from sighted partners were astounding. "He seemed like he knew
>> my
>> soul," from a 23 year old female. "Her tongue knew just how to touch
>> every
>> part of me if you know what I mean," from a college male. One woman
>> commented, "The things he could do with his fingers were beyond
>> description
>> in this survey. It's not that he was built bigger than other men, it
>> just
>> seemed like he touched me inside with it all over," she said with a shy
>> smile.
>>
>>
>>
>> When William Masters was asked, in a 1971 interview, why he didn't draw
>> more
>> attention to these findings he said, "I didn't know anything about
>> blindness. We were publishing information of general interest about
>> sexuality and this just didn't fit that mold. Perhaps some day
>> researchers
>> will help us understand why blind people have such incredible sexual
>> capacities and we'll be able to use that information to increase the
>> abilities of others. Until then, a very few lucky men and women will
>> experience the phenomena of sex with a blind person."
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a down side to this research. When interviewed, blind people
>> generally expressed frustration about sexuality. Broadly speaking, they
>> divided sighted people into three groups. First is the group who simply
>> want to have sex with them for the thrill and experience of it. "We feel
>> used," was the most common thing reported. second, was the group who
>> simply
>> couldn't see themselves with a blind husband or wife. "They want to be
>> with
>> us, but don't see us as fathers and mothers, for example," was often
>> heard.
>> the third group were those who "get it" as one blind man put it. "They
>> can
>> see beyond blindness and except us for who we are. Blindness just fades
>> into the background and becomes another characteristic."
>>
>>
>>
>> The sad truth is that although blind people work, raise families, travel
>> independently and generally speaking, live normal lives, the public
>> perception is the opposite. The image of the helpless beggar still lurks
>> in
>> our minds. Sighted people report that the fear of blindness overwelms
>> their
>> rationality. "I know that I shouldn't let blindness interfere with how I
>> think about my partner, but, I can't help it," said a young college
>> student
>> engaged to a blind physicist working at NASA. "Yes, he has money, and
>> yes,
>> he's sexy, and oh, my god, can he please me, if you know what I mean.
>> The
>> hardest thing is getting over this image of him as a helpless blind man.
>> We
>> sail, bike ride and horse back ride. I can't think of anything he can't
>> do
>> except drive, but, I'll admit, the image of a helpless blind man still
>> haunts me. People look at him with such pity and I just want to scream,
>> "You don't get it you fools."" But she admits that making the decision
>> to
>> mary is difficult.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chad, a young blind college student says he finds the whole sex thing a
>> bit
>> distracting. "Sure I can please women more than my sighted friends can,
>> and
>> frankly, it's because they just don't pay attention to women and what
>> their
>> bodies and hearts are saying. Women will tell you everything you need to
>> know if you just listen and feel."
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>> We give you all of this information with the caviat that perhaps only one
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>> six thousand people is an eligible blind man or woman, so, happy
>> searching.
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