[nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 76
Robert Ortiz
bobby7391 at optimum.net
Sun Dec 23 04:59:28 UTC 2012
Dear David Andrews,
I'm sorry if I crossed someline, and I will of course discontinue posting
any more politics related posts. Please email me any links for the exact
rules for the Blind_Talk discussion group. I would appreciate it for future
reference. Thankyou very much in advance.
Sincerely, Robert Ortiz.
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1. Re: I'll tell you why we shouldn't talk to Republicans.RE:
nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 43 (David Andrews)
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 20:35:27 -0600
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I'll tell you why we shouldn't talk to
Republicans.RE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 43
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You are correct -- I must ask that the political discussion cease and
desist!
David Andrews, Moderator
At 07:32 PM 12/22/2012, you wrote:
>Just wondering if this discussion is appropriate here. Our personal
>political affiliations are one thing. But, promoting one party over
>another on an NFB list seems out of place to me.
>
>Cindy
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Larry D. Keeler
>Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 6:26 PM
>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I'll tell ou why we shouldn't talk to
>Republicans.RE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 43
>
>Yah, irt seems like the3 republicans have been a lot more active when
>it concerns cut backs to our populations. Not to be to hard about it
>but I can't see why folks vote republican with our economy the way it
>is! Look at Michigans Governor! Je3ez! Well, not to start an
>argument but the republican regeme tends to make it hard for those of
>us who are just trying to get by!
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Ortiz"
><bobby7391 at optimum.net>
>To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 1:53 PM
>Subject: [nfb-talk] I'll tell ou why we shouldn't talk to Republicans.RE:
>nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 43
>
>
>>Chris,
>>
>>Don't you remember when President G.W. Bush (Or Baby Blue, as I like
>>to call
>>him) traveled around America in early 2005 while advocating that
>>Social Security should be Privatized, either partially or completely?
>>The Republican party has been for years dreaming of stealing the two
>>trillion dollars in the SS trust fund and handing it to Wall Street
>>who will invest it in the riskiest craziest derivatives they can
>>invent. Doesn't anyone remember the banking collapse of 2008?
>>
>>So what do you think will happen to Social Security in the long term if
that
>>happens? Or isn't it obvious? Also, whenever any republican politician
>>has been asked over the last decade if the republicans would consider
>>giving governmental garantees to the beneficiaries of privatized
>>personalized Social Security accounts, they have ALL WITHOUT EXEMPTION
>>said ABSOLUTELY NO. So what does that mean? Well it is very clear.
>>They, the Republicans, want to use our Social Security FICA insurance
>>which we paid for, invest it in toilet paper investments, milk those
>>investments for all they can, and then throw us under the bus when those
"investments" inevitably go bust.
>>And if those aren't convincing enough reasons why we shouldn't talk
>>to republicans on this issue, then I don't know what reasons would be.
>>
>>Also, I also wanted to clarify something. I didn't say that the
>>failure to negotiate a deal on the fiscal cliff by January 1st would
>>automatically effect anyone's social security check now. I think
>>maybe my previous posting was a little misunderstood.
>>
>>I was trying to explain that for the last three days, President and
>>House Minority leader Nancy Palosi have both said that they are
>>willing to cut the COLA Cost of Living Adjustment on Social Security
>>beneficiaries by 0.3 percent. I know this doesn't sound like much,
>>but it is a terribly frightening prospect for several reasons.
>>
>>1( It would be the first time since the creation of Social Security
>>that direct monthly benefits would have been cut AT ALL.
>>
>>2) this minimum sounding cut is also accumulative. In about 10 years
>>or less, every SSDI recipient will be receiving about an average of
>>$1000.00 less annually. Can any of us afford that? I know I can't.
>>So this is a real cut, and not some kind of Consumer Pricing Index
>>readjustment as many are now claiming.
>>
>>And 3) This first historic cut to Social Security benefits will open
>>the DOOR WIDE OPEN to restricting and maybe privatizing Social
>>Security which would eventually doom the entire trust fund. And if
>>you need proof of that, then study what has happened to retirement
>>benefit programs in Latin American countries whenever those countries
>>have privatized or been forced to privatize their retirement benefit
>>programs. This craziness has all been tried before to desasterous
effects.
>>
>>Of course, no one's checks will disappear immediately, but the long
>>term damage to Social Security may or probably will become
>>UNREPAIRABLE! So that is why we should worry about how these fiscal
>>cliff negotiations are going and exactly what the final shape of any
>>deal looks like. It isn't just our long term future that's at stake,
>>but what about when our kids retire or God forbid become disabled like us?
>>
>>Finally, I myself am not trying to scare anyone. Besides, I think the
>>above facts are scary enough.
>>
>>Sincerely, Robert Ortiz
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
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>>nfb-talk-request at nfbnet.org
>>Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 5:59 PM
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>>Subject: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 43
>>
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>>Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Re: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40 (Steven Johnson)
>> 2. Re: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40 (Steven Johnson)
>>
>>
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>>Message: 1
>>Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:55:11 -0600
>>From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
>>Message-ID: <004401cddfce$3bb16170$b3142450$@charter.net>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>Chris, don't you mean House Majority Leader, John Boehner, pronounced
Baner?
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>christopher nusbaum
>>Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:45 PM
>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
>>
>>Robert,
>>
>>This may be more of a political issue than anything, but I'm just
>>wondering why you wouldn't recommend that we contact Republican
>>leaders in Congress, especially House majority leader John Weiner?
>>After all, they are involved in the negotiations just as much as the
>>Democrats are, and they need to know how we feel as well. Now, if this
>>is an inappropriate topics for list, or if it is a political issue for
>>you and you don't want to talk to the Republicans, I understand that.
>>Just curious.
>>
>>Chris Nusbaum
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>On Dec 21, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Robert Ortiz <bobby7391 at optimum.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I saw a message asking what the fiscal cliff has to do with the NFB
>>>and I wanted to answer that question. A WHOLE DAMN LOT ESPECIALLY TO
>>>ANYONE RECEIVING SSI OR SSDI! If an agreement isn't reached by
>>>January 1st for this bologna "Fiscal Cliff" which I'm praying for,
>>>then Social Security WILL NOT BE TOUCHED! But if President Obama and
>>>Nancy Palosi continue to offer the damn republicans a cut in the
>>>Annual Cost of Living Adjustment COLA for all Social Security
>>>recipients, as they have done over the last few days; then all of us
>>>blind SSDI recipients will experience our first real cut in our
>>>Social
>>Security benefits. And remember SSDI stands for Social Security
>>>Disability Insurance. And we all paid our FICA taxes over our work
lives
>>>to receive our DISABILITY INSURANCE! That's right IT'S INSURANCE WE
>>>PAID FOR, NOT A HANDOUT!
>>>
>>>So I seriously suggest to everyone who reads this to do as I have done.
>>>Call or email your home state's two senators, your house of
>>>representatives congressman for your county, Senate Majority leader
>>>Harry Reid, House Minority Leader Nancy Palosi, and President Obama
>>>to please not backstab America's blind and disabled!
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>nfb-talk-request at nfbnet.org
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>>>
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>>>Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>> (Kenneth Chrane)
>>> 2. Re: {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>> Sequestration (Humberto Avila)
>>> 3. Re: {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>> Sequestration (Mike Freeman)
>>>
>>>
>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>-
>>>
>>>Message: 1
>>>Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:11:50 -0500
>>>From: "Kenneth Chrane" <kenneth.chrane at verizon.net>
>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>, "NFB of Maryland
>>> e-mail list" <nfbmd at nfbnet.org>
>>>Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>> Sequestration
>>>Message-ID: <CC61E7FF5F26432E9606B39208B1704E at Kens>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>>Email
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>>deficit.
>>>It's good to hear from you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>>solving tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid
>>>the devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
>>>known as
>>sequester.
>>>Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>>>would see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring
>>>our nation back into recession. The longer we delay the more damage
>>>we do to ourselves and the economy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must have
>>>a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>>>still grow the economy. We must also protect the social contract
>>>between the American people and their government. Medicare and
>>>Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or block-granted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>>>fiscal cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by
>>>letting the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more
>>>than
>>$250,000 per year.
>>>This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can also
>>>make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>>>domestic - that will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I
>>>supported the Budget Control Act passed by Congress in 2011 that
>>>would require $900 billion in cuts over
>>>10 years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>>get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>>families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>>>of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>>>fiscal cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>>policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>>>very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>>>assistance to you in the future.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>Barbara A. Mikulski
>>>United States Senator
>>>
>>>
>>>Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>>>account is not monitored.
>>>If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>>comments page of my website here.
>>>If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>>>E-Newsletter here.
>>>Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Message: 2
>>>Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:17:19 -0800
>>>From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>>>To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>> Sequestration
>>>Message-ID: <007901cddf29$b0678580$11369080$@gmail.com>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>>And what does this have to do with the NFB? How are we impacted?
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>Kenneth Chrane
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:12 PM
>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List; NFB of Maryland e-mail list
>>>Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>Sequestration
>>>
>>>Email
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>>deficit.
>>>It's good to hear from you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>>solving tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid
>>>the devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
>>>known as
>>sequester.
>>>Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>>>would see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring
>>>our nation back into recession. The longer we delay the more damage
>>>we do to ourselves and the economy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must have
>>>a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>>>still grow the economy. We must also protect the social contract
>>>between the American people and their government. Medicare and
>>>Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or block-granted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>>>fiscal cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by
>>>letting the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more
>>>than
>>$250,000 per year.
>>>This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can also
>>>make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>>>domestic - that will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I
>>>supported the Budget Control Act passed by Congress in 2011 that
>>>would require $900 billion in cuts over
>>>10 years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>>get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>>families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>>>of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>>>fiscal cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>>policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>>>very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>>>assistance to you in the future.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>Barbara A. Mikulski
>>>United States Senator
>>>
>>>
>>>Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>>>account is not monitored.
>>>If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>>comments page of my website here.
>>>If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>>>E-Newsletter here.
>>>Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
>>>
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>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Message: 3
>>>Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:26:49 -0800
>>>From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>> Sequestration
>>>Message-ID: <FA5FCD01-4B82-498E-9B35-DFB84CD831E3 at panix.com>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>Rehab funding.
>>>
>>>Mike Freeman
>>>sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>On Dec 20, 2012, at 19:17, "Humberto Avila"
>>><avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>And what does this have to do with the NFB? How are we impacted?
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>Kenneth Chrane
>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:12 PM
>>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List; NFB of Maryland e-mail list
>>>>Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>>Sequestration
>>>>
>>>>Email
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>>To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>>>deficit.
>>>>It's good to hear from you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>>solving
>>>>tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid the
>>>>devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
>>>>known as
>>sequester.
>>>>Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of
>>>>Americans
>>>would
>>>>see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring our
>>>>nation back into recession. The longer we delay the more damage we
>>>>do to
>>>ourselves
>>>>and the economy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must
>>>>have a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our
>>>>debt and still grow the economy. We must also protect the social
>>>>contract between the American people and their government. Medicare
>>>>and Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or
block-granted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid
>>>>the
>>>fiscal
>>>>cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by letting the
>>>>2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more than
>>>>$250,000 per
>>>year.
>>>>This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can
>>>>also make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military
>>>>and domestic -
>>>that
>>>>will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I supported the Budget
>>>Control
>>>>Act passed by Congress in 2011 that would require $900 billion in
>>>>cuts
>>>over
>>>>10 years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>>>get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>>>families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>>reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the
>>>>loss of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent
>>>>the
>>>fiscal
>>>>cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>>>policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>>>>very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>>>>assistance to you
>>>in
>>>>the future.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>Barbara A. Mikulski
>>>>United States Senator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating
>>>>e-mail account is not monitored.
>>>>If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>>>comments page of my website here.
>>>>If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>>>E-Newsletter
>>>>here.
>>>>Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
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>>Message: 2
>>Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:58:49 -0600
>>From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
>>Message-ID: <004501cddfce$bd59d310$380d7930$@charter.net>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>Chris,
>>
>>The problem in this country is not the revenue coming in, but the
spending.
>>Based on this, our Government needs to be responsible enough to look
>>at cuts across the board and this includes SSA benefits. My hope that
>>if a compromise canot be reached, all programs will be looked at
>>equally as far as cuts. I have read that implementing a 1% cut across
>>the board in all Federal programs could get us out of this mess, but
>>no one will pull that proverbial trigger. Needless to say, chances
>>are that the COLA for SSA benefits would be ended just for starters.
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>christopher nusbaum
>>Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:36 PM
>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
>>
>>Ray,
>>
>>Although this is merely speculation at this point, I agree with you.
>>If an agreement is not reached by January 1, and even if an agreement
>>is reached on this fiscal cliff issue, some government programs will
>>most likely be either cut or eliminated. However, it seems that most
>>politicians think Social Security is an important program, and most of
>>the people I've heard say they don't want to touch that program. So, I
>>think those of you on SSI or SSDI will not be affected. Still, it
>>might be good to keep an eye on this issue.
>>
>>Chris Nusbaum
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>On Dec 21, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I suspect that those of us on SSI and social security will receive
>>>our
>>checks. Pay no attention to scare tactis which may try to make you
>>think otherwise. Now, perhaps however, this may have a negative
>>effect on long term funding of educational programs; which, of course,
would not be good.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>
>>>On Dec 21, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Robert Ortiz <bobby7391 at optimum.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I saw a message asking what the fiscal cliff has to do with the NFB
>>>>and I wanted to answer that question. A WHOLE DAMN LOT ESPECIALLY
>>>>TO ANYONE RECEIVING SSI OR SSDI! If an agreement isn't reached by
>>>>January 1st for this bologna "Fiscal Cliff" which I'm praying for,
>>>>then Social Security WILL NOT BE TOUCHED! But if President Obama
>>>>and Nancy Palosi continue to offer the damn republicans a cut in the
>>>>Annual Cost of Living Adjustment COLA for all Social Security
>>>>recipients, as they have done over the last few days; then all of us
>>>>blind SSDI recipients will experience our first real cut in our
>>>>Social
>>Security benefits. And remember SSDI stands for Social Security
>>>>Disability Insurance. And we all paid our FICA taxes over our work
>>lives
>>>>to receive our DISABILITY INSURANCE! That's right IT'S INSURANCE WE
>>>>PAID FOR, NOT A HANDOUT!
>>>>
>>>>So I seriously suggest to everyone who reads this to do as I have done.
>>>>Call or email your home state's two senators, your house of
>>>>representatives congressman for your county, Senate Majority leader
>>>>Harry Reid, House Minority Leader Nancy Palosi, and President Obama
>>>>to please not backstab America's blind and disabled!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>> (Kenneth Chrane)
>>>> 2. Re: {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>> Sequestration (Humberto Avila)
>>>> 3. Re: {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>> Sequestration (Mike Freeman)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>Message: 1
>>>>Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:11:50 -0500
>>>>From: "Kenneth Chrane" <kenneth.chrane at verizon.net>
>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>, "NFB of Maryland
>>>> e-mail list" <nfbmd at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>> Sequestration
>>>>Message-ID: <CC61E7FF5F26432E9606B39208B1704E at Kens>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>>Email
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>>To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>>deficit.
>>>>It's good to hear from you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>>>solving tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid
>>>>the devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
>>known as sequester.
>>>>Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of
>>>>Americans would see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that
>>>>could bring our nation back into recession. The longer we delay the
>>>>more damage we do to ourselves and the economy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must
>>>>have a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our
>>>>debt and still grow the economy. We must also protect the social
>>>>contract between the American people and their government. Medicare
>>>>and Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or
block-granted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid
>>>>the fiscal cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by
>>>>letting the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more
>>>>than
>>$250,000 per year.
>>>>This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can
>>>>also make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military
>>>>and domestic - that will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I
>>>>supported the Budget Control Act passed by Congress in 2011 that
>>>>would require $900 billion in cuts over
>>>>10 years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>>>get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>>>families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>>reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the
>>>>loss of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent
>>>>the fiscal cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our
>>>>spending policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>>>>very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>>>>assistance to you in the future.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>Barbara A. Mikulski
>>>>United States Senator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating
>>>>e-mail account is not monitored.
>>>>If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>>>comments page of my website here.
>>>>If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>>>>E-Newsletter here.
>>>>Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>Message: 2
>>>>Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:17:19 -0800
>>>>From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>>>>To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>> Sequestration
>>>>Message-ID: <007901cddf29$b0678580$11369080$@gmail.com>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>>And what does this have to do with the NFB? How are we impacted?
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>Kenneth Chrane
>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:12 PM
>>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List; NFB of Maryland e-mail list
>>>>Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>>Sequestration
>>>>
>>>>Email
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>>To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>>deficit.
>>>>It's good to hear from you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>>>solving tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid
>>>>the devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
>>known as sequester.
>>>>Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of
>>>>Americans would see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that
>>>>could bring our nation back into recession. The longer we delay the
>>>>more damage we do to ourselves and the economy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must
>>>>have a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our
>>>>debt and still grow the economy. We must also protect the social
>>>>contract between the American people and their government. Medicare
>>>>and Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or
block-granted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid
>>>>the fiscal cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by
>>>>letting the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more
>>>>than
>>$250,000 per year.
>>>>This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can
>>>>also make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military
>>>>and domestic - that will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I
>>>>supported the Budget Control Act passed by Congress in 2011 that
>>>>would require $900 billion in cuts over
>>>>10 years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>>>get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>>>families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>>reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the
>>>>loss of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent
>>>>the fiscal cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our
>>>>spending policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views is
>>>>very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>>>>assistance to you in the future.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>Barbara A. Mikulski
>>>>United States Senator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating
>>>>e-mail account is not monitored.
>>>>If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>>>comments page of my website here.
>>>>If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>>>>E-Newsletter here.
>>>>Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
>>>>
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>>>>------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>Message: 3
>>>>Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:26:49 -0800
>>>>From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>> Sequestration
>>>>Message-ID: <FA5FCD01-4B82-498E-9B35-DFB84CD831E3 at panix.com>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>>Rehab funding.
>>>>
>>>>Mike Freeman
>>>>sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>On Dec 20, 2012, at 19:17, "Humberto Avila"
>>>><avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>And what does this have to do with the NFB? How are we impacted?
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>Kenneth Chrane
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:12 PM
>>>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List; NFB of Maryland e-mail list
>>>>>Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>>>Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>>>Sequestration
>>>>>
>>>>>Email
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>>>To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>>Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>>>>deficit.
>>>>>It's good to hear from you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable
>>>>>of
>>>>solving
>>>>>tough problems. That's why Congress must act now to avoid the
>>>>>devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
>>>>>known
>>as sequester.
>>>>>Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of
>>>>>Americans
>>>>would
>>>>>see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring our
>>>>>nation back into recession. The longer we delay the more damage we
>>>>>do to
>>>>ourselves
>>>>>and the economy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple. We must
>>>>>have a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our
>>>>>debt and still grow the economy. We must also protect the social
>>>>>contract between the American people and their government.
>>>>>Medicare and Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted
>>>>>or
>>block-granted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid
>>>>>the
>>>>fiscal
>>>>>cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way. We can start by letting
>>>>>the
>>>>>2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more than
>>>>>$250,000 per
>>>>year.
>>>>>This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years. We can
>>>>>also make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military
>>>>>and domestic -
>>>>that
>>>>>will begin to reduce our deficit. That's why I supported the
>>>>>Budget
>>>>Control
>>>>>Act passed by Congress in 2011 that would require $900 billion in
>>>>>cuts
>>>>over
>>>>>10 years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>>>>get us to a balanced budget. It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>>>>families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>>>reduce the deficit. In Maryland alone, this could result in the
>>>>>loss of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state
economy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent
>>>>>the
>>>>fiscal
>>>>>cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>>>>policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks again for getting in touch with me. Knowing of your views
>>>>>is very important to me. Please let me know if I can be of any
>>>>>assistance to you
>>>>in
>>>>>the future.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>Barbara A. Mikulski
>>>>>United States Senator
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