[nfb-talk] Alright, from another passionate liberal.RE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 62

Gloria Whipple glowhi at centurylink.net
Thu Dec 27 19:09:23 UTC 2012


Hi Mike,

First, I hope your Christmas went well.

Thanks to you and David for the job the both of you do.

Happy new year!

Gloria Whipple


-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:46
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright, from another passionate liberal.RE:
nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 62

Truth is in the eye of the beholder. Since you refuse to grasp or seem
unwilling or incapable of admitting this and dropping the subject, you
should know that I've suggested to Dave Andrews that this list be moderated
for a week or two. In saying this, you should know that I'm quite liberal as
Ray will confirm.

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:20, "Todor Fassl" <fassl.tod at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, you can label CBS and the New York Times as propoganda outlets but
that would be incorrect.  Just saying something doesn't make it true. Again,
Fox News is openly trying to persuade it's viewers to vote conservative.
That's why it's a propoganda outlet.  It's not my opinion that Fox News is
trying to persuade people to vote conservative, they say so themselves all
the time.
> 
> Is CBS and the New York Times openly trying to persuade people to vote
liberal? Well, not openly. At worst, you can claim that they are doing so as
the result of the human weakness of letting their biases influence which
facts they consider relevant. But they are not deliberately trying to
persuade people to vote for liberals.
> 
> Of course, the NYT probably endorsed Barack Obama for President. But, at
least theoretically, that isn't supposed to influence their reporting. You
can argue that as a practical matter it does. But that would be debatable.
It is not debatable that Fox News is trying to persuade people to vote for
conservatives and is, therefore, a propoganda outlet. That's just a fact.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE:
nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62
> 
> 
>> You're not getting it: there are those who consider CBS News and the NY
Times as propaganda organs also and all the more shameful for not admitting
it. Since we discuss our common connection, blindness, here and are loath to
pay for a debating society here, especially when such debates do little more
than generate controversy and division, it's better to keep to blindness.
>> 
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:41, "Todor Fassl" <fassl.tod at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, I mainly just want to nake the distinction between Fox News and
other news sources clear.  It's up to the reader to decide the significance.
It's not a matter of opinion that Fox News is trying to persuade people to
vote conservative. They say so themselves practically every day. By
definition, that makes them a propoganda outlet, not a news source.
>>> 
>>> There may be value in reading "The Daily Worker" from the Communist
Party. You may learn things you wouldn't have learned otherwise. Never the
less, it's propoganda. So is Fox News.
>>> 
>>> You may learn something from listening to Fox News. And I can't tell
people not to listen to them. That's really none of my business.  But the
fact is that Fox News is absolutely, positively, definately not the
conservative equivalent of CNN or NPR or CBS or the New York Times.
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson"
<steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:18 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE:
nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> This is exactly why we have to be careful what we discuss here.  Your
comments here are not going to be seen as fact by everyone, and inevitably
>>>> someone is going to challenge them and sooner or later things get
heated. That's not how it should be, but it is how it is on lists.  It is as
firm a rule as the
>>>> law of gravity.  .  While I don't trust any news source that feels they
have to tell me that they are fair and balanced, I think that one has to
realize that there
>>>> are cases when any news source is not going to be objective.  I could
say more about Fox and MSNBC, but it won't help us address the issues that
face
>>>> us as blind people.  Each of us has to make decisions about what we
support in general, but it is important that we can learn here how various
options
>>>> affect us as blind people so we can act accordingly, and that means we
have to get along well enough to be able to share information.
>>>> 
>> 
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