[nfb-talk] On liberal talk.RE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 130

Robert Ortiz bobby7391 at optimum.net
Thu Dec 27 21:46:34 UTC 2012


Dear Mike,

You recently posted a question asking why the participants have to be blind
or sighted.  I'm guessing the question was meant for me. 

Well, it's simply that I was curious.  I was wondering about how other blind
people felt about the issues and especially about their feelings on the
facts and figures.

So to everyone who has recently posted websites and even a mailing list
link, thankyou very much.  I'm sure that I'm not the only one who
appreciated that.

Sincerely Robert Ortiz.
 
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: On Liberal Talk.RE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,	Issue 124
      (Mike Freeman)
   2. Re: Alright,	from another passionate liberal.RE: nfb-talk
      Digest, Vol 55,	Issue 62 (Steve Jacobson)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:50:21 -0800
From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] On Liberal Talk.RE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,
	Issue 124
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That list was founded by some ACB-ers who thought their views and method of
operating the Braille Forum was being suppressed.

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2012, at 6:31, christopher nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chuck,
> 
> Thank you. I might join this list!
> 
> Happy New Year,
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 27, 2012, at 1:45 AM, "ckrugman at sbcglobal.net"
> <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> for those who are interested there is such a list and you can find it
>> Blind-Democracy mailing list
>> Blind-Democracy at octothorp.org
>> http://www.octothorp.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-democracy. Season's
greetings.
>> Chuck
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Ortiz" <bobby7391 at optimum.net>
>> To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:09 PM
>> Subject: [nfb-talk] On Liberal Talk.RE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue
124
>> 
>> 
>>> Dear Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I found a chat room for radical liberal political chat,
>>> www.LiberalForum.org.  Don't worry, everyone, I'm not going to start any
>>> more debates here.  I just wanted to share that website address with all
of
>>> you.  The website describes itself as a place for "Hardcore" liberals,
check
>>> it out.  I only wish I could find a website like that one where many
other
>>> blind people congregate.  Ah, if only.
>>> 
>>> Hopeing to see some of my fellow NFB members there,
>>> Sincerely, Robert Ortiz.
>>> 
>>> PS:  Please also remember my open invitation to and for any NFB member
to
>>> email me directly, if they enjoy political talk as much as I do.  God
bless
>>> you all.  I hope everyone's Christmas was a happy one, and Happy New
Year to
>>> everyone as well.



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:18:20 -0600
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,	from another passionate liberal.RE:
	nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,	Issue 62
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This is exactly why we have to be careful what we discuss here.  Your
comments here are not going to be seen as fact by everyone, and inevitably 
someone is going to challenge them and sooner or later things get heated.
That's not how it should be, but it is how it is on lists.  It is as firm a
rule as the 
law of gravity.  .  While I don't trust any news source that feels they have
to tell me that they are fair and balanced, I think that one has to realize
that there 
are cases when any news source is not going to be objective.  I could say
more about Fox and MSNBC, but it won't help us address the issues that face 
us as blind people.  Each of us has to make decisions about what we support
in general, but it is important that we can learn here how various options 
affect us as blind people so we can act accordingly, and that means we have
to get along well enough to be able to share information.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:42:12 -0600, Todor Fassl wrote:

>Fox News is not the equivalent of CNN. Fox News is a propoganda outlet. I'm

>sorry to be so blunt but it's true. There is a huge difference bbetween Fox

>News and other news sources like CNN and NPR. Fox News deliberately slants 
>it's news in order to try to convince it's viewers that the conservative 
>pointorrect. Real news outlets like CNN, NPR, ABC, CBS and the 
>rest of the so-called liberal media try to present relevant facts for you
to 
>use in making an informed decision.

>I don't know if this was ever really sincere but Fox News originally
claimed 
>to be trying to create fairness by deliberately  slanting their news toward

>the conservative in order to balance the liberal news media. But the result

>is that they have become a propaganda outlet for the Tea Party and for 
>cparticularly conservative Republicans. In order to get the equivalent of 
>Fox News, you'd have to subscribe to "The Daily Worker" which is the 
>official newspaper of the Communist Party of the United States.

>I hope I've made this distinction clear. By definition, a propoganda outlet

>is a news source that is trying to persuade you to change your political 
>beliefs. That is what Fox News is. CNN, NPR, CBS, and the rest of the 
>so-called "liberal media" are at least trying to present all relevant facts

>to help you make informed decisions. Even if you find the theoretical 
>distinction meaningless, as a practical matter, it makes a huge difference.

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:21 AM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE:
nfb-talk 
>Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62


>> Hi all,
>> Hope all enjoyed the holiday.
>> Now, if we can discuss the issues respectfully, I don't see why politics 
>> cannot be discussed as it relates to funding services that impact us.
>>
>> I think we all should listen to a variety of sources for news, not just 
>> fox or cnn. Also,
>> as  for the numbers, I don't quite buy them as it sounds exxagerated, but

>> I do agree the taxes are a bit unfair with loopholes and leave it at
that.
>>
>> We face a serious matter if republicants and democrats don't compromise .

>> I urge all of you to bring this issue to your congressmen's attention and

>> say why they need to avoide the cliff.
>>
>> A few points. It will affect people seeking rehab funding like me who
need 
>> equipment upgrades or job support. Order of selection is implemented when

>> budgets are tough. It will impact  the rest of Dept of education funding 
>> and therefore blind kids may not get the support they need with less
funds 
>> for equipment and teachers. It means cuts to services blind people depend

>> on who support themselves while looking for work with no income such as 
>> food stamps.  So lets  let our voices be heard on the issues and hope we 
>> avoide the fiscal cliff.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Robert Ortiz
>> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 9:43 PM
>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Alright, from another passionate liberal.RE: nfb-talk

>> Digest, Vol 55, Issue 62
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Thanks for the support.  I was beginning to feel a little lonely in this
>> conversation.  I was away from my laptop for a few hours and I'm still
>> eating dinner.  But I've noticed that I still haven't seen anyone address
>> the facts and figures I put into my previous postings during this 
>> afternoon.
>> I hope to see someone refute me on the numbers.
>>
>> By the way, I would like to invite all passionate liberals to feel free
to
>> email me directly if they wish.
>>
>> And by the way, I would like to also invite all passionate true
>> conservatives to email me directly if they would like to discuss real
>> numbers.
>>
>> Sincerely, Robert Ortiz, the passionate liberal.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> nfb-talk-request at nfbnet.org
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>>
>>   1. Re: On Fox News and Spending MythRE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,
>>      Issue 50 (Mark Tardif)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 19:33:08 -0500
>> From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at roadrunner.com>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] On Fox News and Spending MythRE: nfb-talk
>> Digest, Vol 55, Issue 50
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Alright, another passionate liberal!!!  When I lived in Florida I was
>> becoming convinced that we were almost extinct.  Is it any wonder we have
>> such a huge debt when the tax rates are so askew?  I think not.  I was of
>> the opinion that we would, at the last minute, have a balanced deal to 
>> keep
>> us from going over the fiscal cliff, but now I no longer think so.  There

>> is
>> an element that is so hard line in their ideology that rationality has 
>> gone
>> out the window and I think we will very likely go over the edge or, if we
>> don't, it will be one of these quick fixes that only delays the 
>> inevitable.
>>
>> Mark Tardif
>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Ortiz
>> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 4:11 PM
>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nfb-talk] On Fox News and Spending MythRE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol
>> 55,Issue 50
>>
>> Joshua,
>>
>> I obviously cannot speak for the other side since I'm so obviously a
>> liberal.  But I suppose that those who like Fox news can always go there 
>> to
>> hear their side of news stories.  I don't want to sound offensive, but I
>> obviously don't think that Fox news (or Fixed News as liberals like to 
>> call
>> it) is or has anything "fair and balanced" about it.
>>
>> And on government spending, I hope everyone would please consider one 
>> simple
>> mathematical fact.  First, the richest 2 percent of Americans who have
>> approximately half of America's entire wealth pay approximately between
12
>> and 15 percent in annual income taxes, while the rest of us in the 98
>> percent of the citizenry pay between 30 and 35 percent in annual income
>> taxes.  So the rich pay half of what the poor and middle class pay, so we
>> pay double what they pay.  Does that seem fair to anyone?
>>
>> Also, the above figures apply to individuals.  Last year, over 200
>> corporations not only paid NO INCOME TAXES, they also still got tax 
>> refunds.
>> How you ask?  Easy, there tax rate on paper is 35 percent, but if they
can
>> deduct 40 percent of their corporate income, then they would still get a
5
>> percent tax refund on all their corporate profit income.  How wonderful
it
>> must be to be rich and get such deals!
>>
>> Anyway, for those who want sources, check out the website Tax.com and 
>> google
>> everything David Kay Johnston is constantly writing on the subject of tax
>> fairness.
>>
>> So, if the rich would have to pay the same percentage in taxes that poor 
>> and
>> middle class working people do, not only would there be no spending 
>> problem,
>> but also, America would have bigger surpluses than those that President
>> Clinton gave us.
>>
>> Go ahead everyone, check it out for yourselves.
>>
>> Sincerely, from a passionate liberal who apologizes if I sound a little 
>> too
>> passionate sometimes, Robert Ortiz
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> nfb-talk-request at nfbnet.org
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>   1. Re: I'll tell ou why we shouldn't talk to Republicans.RE:
>>      nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 43 (Joshua Lester)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:59:34 +0000
>> From: Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com>
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I'll tell ou why we shouldn't talk to
>> Republicans.RE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 43
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Okay?
>> Where's the other side's oppinion?
>> I want this to be fair and balanced, like Fox News!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Robert Ortiz
>> [bobby7391 at optimum.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 12:53 PM
>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nfb-talk] I'll tell ou why we shouldn't talk to Republicans.RE:
>> nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 43
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Don't you remember when President G.W. Bush (Or Baby Blue, as I like to 
>> call
>> him) traveled around America in early 2005 while advocating that Social
>> Security should be Privatized, either partially or completely?  The
>> Republican party has been for years dreaming of stealing the two trillion
>> dollars in the SS trust fund and handing it to Wall Street who will
invest
>> it in the riskiest craziest derivatives they can invent.  Doesn't anyone
>> remember the banking collapse of 2008?
>>
>> So what do you think will happen to Social Security in the long term if 
>> that
>> happens?   Or isn't it obvious?  Also, whenever any republican politician
>> has been asked over the last decade if the republicans would consider 
>> giving
>> governmental garantees to the beneficiaries of privatized personalized
>> Social Security accounts, they have ALL WITHOUT EXEMPTION said ABSOLUTELY
>> NO.  So what does that mean?  Well it is very clear.  They, the 
>> Republicans,
>> want to use our Social Security FICA insurance which we paid for, invest 
>> it
>> in toilet paper investments, milk those investments for all they can, and
>> then throw us under the bus when those "investments" inevitably go bust.
>> And if those aren't convincing enough reasons why we shouldn't  talk to
>> republicans on this issue, then I don't know what reasons would be.
>>
>> Also,  I also wanted to clarify something.  I didn't say that the failure

>> to
>> negotiate a deal on the fiscal cliff by January 1st would automatically
>> effect anyone's social security check now.  I think maybe my previous
>> posting was a little misunderstood.
>>
>> I was trying to explain that for the last three days, President and House
>> Minority leader Nancy Palosi have both said that they are willing to cut 
>> the
>> COLA Cost of Living Adjustment on Social Security beneficiaries by 0.3
>> percent.  I know this doesn't sound like much, but it is a terribly
>> frightening prospect for several reasons.
>>
>> 1( It would be the first time since the creation of Social Security that
>> direct monthly benefits would have been cut AT ALL.
>>
>> 2)  this minimum sounding cut is also accumulative.  In about 10 years or
>> less, every SSDI recipient will be receiving about an average of $1000.00
>> less annually.  Can any of us afford that?  I know I can't.  So this is a
>> real cut, and not some kind of Consumer Pricing Index readjustment as
many
>> are now claiming.
>>
>> And 3)  This first historic cut to Social Security benefits will open the
>> DOOR WIDE OPEN to restricting and maybe privatizing Social Security which
>> would eventually doom the entire trust fund.  And if you need proof of 
>> that,
>> then study what has happened to retirement benefit programs in Latin
>> American countries  whenever those countries have privatized or been 
>> forced
>> to privatize their retirement benefit programs.  This craziness has all 
>> been
>> tried before to desasterous effects.
>>
>> Of course, no one's checks will disappear immediately, but the long term
>> damage to Social Security may or probably will become UNREPAIRABLE!  So 
>> that
>> is why we should worry about how these fiscal cliff negotiations are
going
>> and exactly what the final shape of any deal looks like.  It isn't just 
>> our
>> long term future that's at stake, but what about when our kids retire or 
>> God
>> forbid become disabled like us?
>>
>> Finally, I myself am not trying to scare anyone.  Besides, I think the 
>> above
>> facts are scary enough.
>>
>> Sincerely, Robert Ortiz
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> nfb-talk-request at nfbnet.org
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>   1. Re: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40 (Steven Johnson)
>>   2. Re: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40 (Steven Johnson)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:55:11 -0600
>> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
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>>
>> Chris, don't you mean House Majority Leader, John Boehner, pronounced 
>> Baner?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> christopher
>> nusbaum
>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:45 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
>>
>> Robert,
>>
>> This may be more of a political issue than anything, but I'm just 
>> wondering
>> why you wouldn't recommend that we contact Republican leaders in
Congress,
>> especially House majority leader John Weiner?
>> After all, they are involved in the negotiations just as much as the
>> Democrats are, and they need to know how we feel as well. Now, if this is

>> an
>> inappropriate topics for list, or if it is a political issue for you and 
>> you
>> don't want to talk to the Republicans, I understand that.
>> Just curious.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 21, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Robert Ortiz <bobby7391 at optimum.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I saw a message asking what the fiscal cliff has to do with the NFB
>>> and I wanted to answer that question.  A WHOLE DAMN LOT ESPECIALLY TO
>>> ANYONE RECEIVING SSI OR SSDI!  If an agreement isn't reached by
>>> January 1st for this bologna "Fiscal Cliff" which I'm praying for,
>>> then Social Security WILL NOT BE TOUCHED!  But if President Obama and
>>> Nancy Palosi continue to offer the damn republicans a cut in the
>>> Annual Cost of Living Adjustment COLA for all Social Security
>>> recipients, as they have done over the last few days; then all of us
>>> blind SSDI recipients will experience our first real cut in our Social
>> Security benefits.  And remember SSDI stands for Social Security
>>> Disability Insurance.   And we all paid our FICA taxes over our work 
>>> lives
>>> to receive our DISABILITY INSURANCE!  That's right IT'S INSURANCE WE
>>> PAID FOR, NOT A HANDOUT!
>>>
>>> So I seriously suggest to everyone who reads this to do as I have done.
>>> Call or email your home state's two senators, your house of
>>> representatives congressman for your county, Senate Majority leader
>>> Harry Reid, House Minority Leader Nancy Palosi, and President Obama to
>>> please not backstab America's blind and disabled!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> nfb-talk-request at nfbnet.org
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>>   1. {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and    Sequestration
>>>      (Kenneth Chrane)
>>>   2. Re: {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff    and
>>>      Sequestration (Humberto Avila)
>>>   3. Re: {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff    and
>>>      Sequestration (Mike Freeman)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:11:50 -0500
>>> From: "Kenneth Chrane" <kenneth.chrane at verizon.net>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>,    "NFB of Maryland
>>>    e-mail list" <nfbmd at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>    Sequestration
>>> Message-ID: <CC61E7FF5F26432E9606B39208B1704E at Kens>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Email
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>> deficit.
>>> It's good to hear from you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>> solving tough problems.  That's why Congress must act now to avoid the
>>> devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts known
>>> as
>> sequester.
>>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>>> would see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring
>>> our nation back into recession.  The longer we delay the more damage
>>> we do to ourselves and the economy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple.  We must have
>>> a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>>> still grow the economy.  We must also protect the social contract
>>> between the American people and their government.  Medicare and
>>> Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or block-granted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>>> fiscal cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way.  We can start by
>>> letting the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more
>>> than
>> $250,000 per year.
>>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years.  We can also
>>> make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>>> domestic - that will begin to reduce our deficit.  That's why I
>>> supported the Budget Control Act passed by Congress in 2011 that would
>>> require $900 billion in cuts over
>>> 10 years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>> get us to a balanced budget.  It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>> reduce the deficit.  In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>>> of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>>> fiscal cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>> policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me.  Knowing of your views is
>>> very important to me.  Please let me know if I can be of any
>>> assistance to you in the future.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>>> United States Senator
>>>
>>>
>>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>>> account is not monitored.
>>> If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>> comments page of my website here.
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:17:19 -0800
>>> From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff    and
>>>    Sequestration
>>> Message-ID: <007901cddf29$b0678580$11369080$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> And what does this have to do with the NFB? How are we impacted?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Kenneth Chrane
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:12 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List; NFB of Maryland e-mail list
>>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>> Sequestration
>>>
>>> Email
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>> deficit.
>>> It's good to hear from you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>> solving tough problems.  That's why Congress must act now to avoid the
>>> devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts known
>>> as
>> sequester.
>>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>>> would see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring
>>> our nation back into recession.  The longer we delay the more damage
>>> we do to ourselves and the economy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple.  We must have
>>> a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>>> still grow the economy.  We must also protect the social contract
>>> between the American people and their government.  Medicare and
>>> Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or block-granted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>>> fiscal cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way.  We can start by
>>> letting the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more
>>> than
>> $250,000 per year.
>>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years.  We can also
>>> make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>>> domestic - that will begin to reduce our deficit.  That's why I
>>> supported the Budget Control Act passed by Congress in 2011 that would
>>> require $900 billion in cuts over
>>> 10 years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>> get us to a balanced budget.  It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>> reduce the deficit.  In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>>> of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>>> fiscal cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>> policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me.  Knowing of your views is
>>> very important to me.  Please let me know if I can be of any
>>> assistance to you in the future.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>>> United States Senator
>>>
>>>
>>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>>> account is not monitored.
>>> If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>> comments page of my website here.
>>> If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>>> E-Newsletter here.
>>> Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:26:49 -0800
>>> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff    and
>>>    Sequestration
>>> Message-ID: <FA5FCD01-4B82-498E-9B35-DFB84CD831E3 at panix.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> Rehab funding.
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 20, 2012, at 19:17, "Humberto Avila"
>>> <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And what does this have to do with the NFB? How are we impacted?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Kenneth Chrane
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:12 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List; NFB of Maryland e-mail list
>>>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>> Sequestration
>>>>
>>>> Email
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>>> deficit.
>>>> It's good to hear from you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>> solving
>>>> tough problems.  That's why Congress must act now to avoid the
>>>> devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
>>>> known as
>> sequester.
>>>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>>> would
>>>> see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring our
>>>> nation back into recession.  The longer we delay the more damage we
>>>> do to
>>> ourselves
>>>> and the economy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple.  We must have
>>>> a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>>>> still grow the economy.  We must also protect the social contract
>>>> between the American people and their government.  Medicare and
>>>> Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or block-granted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>>> fiscal
>>>> cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way.  We can start by letting the
>>>> 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more than
>>>> $250,000 per
>>> year.
>>>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years.  We can also
>>>> make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>>>> domestic -
>>> that
>>>> will begin to reduce our deficit.  That's why I supported the Budget
>>> Control
>>>> Act passed by Congress in 2011 that would require $900 billion in
>>>> cuts
>>> over
>>>> 10 years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>>> get us to a balanced budget.  It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>> reduce the deficit.  In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>>>> of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>>> fiscal
>>>> cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending policy
>>>> to reduce our national debt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me.  Knowing of your views is
>>>> very important to me.  Please let me know if I can be of any
>>>> assistance to you
>>> in
>>>> the future.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>>>> United States Senator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>>>> account is not monitored.
>>>> If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>>> comments page of my website here.
>>>> If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>>> E-Newsletter
>>>> here.
>>>> Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
>>>>
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>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:58:49 -0600
>> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
>> Message-ID: <004501cddfce$bd59d310$380d7930$@charter.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> The problem in this country is not the revenue coming in, but the 
>> spending.
>> Based on this, our Government needs to be responsible enough to look at 
>> cuts
>> across the board and this includes SSA benefits.  My hope that if a
>> compromise canot be reached, all programs will be looked at equally as
far
>> as cuts.  I have read that implementing a 1% cut across the board in all
>> Federal programs could get us out of this mess, but no one will pull that
>> proverbial trigger.  Needless to say, chances are that the COLA for SSA
>> benefits would be ended just for starters.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> christopher
>> nusbaum
>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:36 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
>>
>> Ray,
>>
>> Although this is merely speculation at this point, I agree with you.
>> If an agreement is not reached by January 1, and even if an agreement is
>> reached on this fiscal cliff issue, some  government programs will most
>> likely be either cut or eliminated. However, it seems that most 
>> politicians
>> think Social Security is an important program, and most of the people
I've
>> heard say they don't want to touch that program. So, I think those of you

>> on
>> SSI or SSDI will not be affected. Still, it might be good to keep an eye 
>> on
>> this issue.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 21, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect that those of us on SSI and social security will receive our
>> checks.  Pay no attention to scare tactis which may try to make you think
>> otherwise.  Now, perhaps however, this may have a negative effect on long
>> term funding of educational programs; which, of course, would not be
good.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Robert Ortiz <bobby7391 at optimum.net>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> I saw a message asking what the fiscal cliff has to do with the NFB
>>>> and I wanted to answer that question.  A WHOLE DAMN LOT ESPECIALLY TO
>>>> ANYONE RECEIVING SSI OR SSDI!  If an agreement isn't reached by
>>>> January 1st for this bologna "Fiscal Cliff" which I'm praying for,
>>>> then Social Security WILL NOT BE TOUCHED!  But if President Obama and
>>>> Nancy Palosi continue to offer the damn republicans a cut in the
>>>> Annual Cost of Living Adjustment COLA for all Social Security
>>>> recipients, as they have done over the last few days; then all of us
>>>> blind SSDI recipients will experience our first real cut in our
>>>> Social
>> Security benefits.  And remember SSDI stands for Social Security
>>>> Disability Insurance.   And we all paid our FICA taxes over our work
>> lives
>>>> to receive our DISABILITY INSURANCE!  That's right IT'S INSURANCE WE
>>>> PAID FOR, NOT A HANDOUT!
>>>>
>>>> So I seriously suggest to everyone who reads this to do as I have done.
>>>> Call or email your home state's two senators, your house of
>>>> representatives congressman for your county, Senate Majority leader
>>>> Harry Reid, House Minority Leader Nancy Palosi, and President Obama
>>>> to please not backstab America's blind and disabled!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> nfb-talk-request at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:00 PM
>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40
>>>>
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>>  1. {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and    Sequestration
>>>>     (Kenneth Chrane)
>>>>  2. Re: {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff    and
>>>>     Sequestration (Humberto Avila)
>>>>  3. Re: {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff    and
>>>>     Sequestration (Mike Freeman)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:11:50 -0500
>>>> From: "Kenneth Chrane" <kenneth.chrane at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>,    "NFB of Maryland
>>>>    e-mail list" <nfbmd at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>>    Sequestration
>>>> Message-ID: <CC61E7FF5F26432E9606B39208B1704E at Kens>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> Email
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>> deficit.
>>>> It's good to hear from you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>>> solving tough problems.  That's why Congress must act now to avoid
>>>> the devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
>> known as sequester.
>>>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>>>> would see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring
>>>> our nation back into recession.  The longer we delay the more damage
>>>> we do to ourselves and the economy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple.  We must have
>>>> a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>>>> still grow the economy.  We must also protect the social contract
>>>> between the American people and their government.  Medicare and
>>>> Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or block-granted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>>>> fiscal cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way.  We can start by
>>>> letting the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more
>>>> than
>> $250,000 per year.
>>>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years.  We can also
>>>> make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>>>> domestic - that will begin to reduce our deficit.  That's why I
>>>> supported the Budget Control Act passed by Congress in 2011 that
>>>> would require $900 billion in cuts over
>>>> 10 years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>>> get us to a balanced budget.  It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>> reduce the deficit.  In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>>>> of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>>>> fiscal cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>>> policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me.  Knowing of your views is
>>>> very important to me.  Please let me know if I can be of any
>>>> assistance to you in the future.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>>>> United States Senator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>>>> account is not monitored.
>>>> If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>>> comments page of my website here.
>>>> If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>>>> E-Newsletter here.
>>>> Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:17:19 -0800
>>>> From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff    and
>>>>    Sequestration
>>>> Message-ID: <007901cddf29$b0678580$11369080$@gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> And what does this have to do with the NFB? How are we impacted?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Kenneth Chrane
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:12 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List; NFB of Maryland e-mail list
>>>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>> Sequestration
>>>>
>>>> Email
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>> deficit.
>>>> It's good to hear from you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>>> solving tough problems.  That's why Congress must act now to avoid
>>>> the devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
>> known as sequester.
>>>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of Americans
>>>> would see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring
>>>> our nation back into recession.  The longer we delay the more damage
>>>> we do to ourselves and the economy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple.  We must have
>>>> a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our debt and
>>>> still grow the economy.  We must also protect the social contract
>>>> between the American people and their government.  Medicare and
>>>> Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or block-granted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid the
>>>> fiscal cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way.  We can start by
>>>> letting the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more
>>>> than
>> $250,000 per year.
>>>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years.  We can also
>>>> make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military and
>>>> domestic - that will begin to reduce our deficit.  That's why I
>>>> supported the Budget Control Act passed by Congress in 2011 that
>>>> would require $900 billion in cuts over
>>>> 10 years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
>>>> get us to a balanced budget.  It would unfairly harm middle-class
>>>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>> reduce the deficit.  In Maryland alone, this could result in the loss
>>>> of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state economy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent the
>>>> fiscal cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>>> policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for getting in touch with me.  Knowing of your views is
>>>> very important to me.  Please let me know if I can be of any
>>>> assistance to you in the future.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Barbara A. Mikulski
>>>> United States Senator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please do not respond directly to this e-mail. The originating e-mail
>>>> account is not monitored.
>>>> If you would like to get in touch with me again, please visit the
>>>> comments page of my website here.
>>>> If you would like to get regular updates, please sign up for my
>>>> E-Newsletter here.
>>>> Please follow me on Twitter and Facebook.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:26:49 -0800
>>>> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff    and
>>>>    Sequestration
>>>> Message-ID: <FA5FCD01-4B82-498E-9B35-DFB84CD831E3 at panix.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>> Rehab funding.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 20, 2012, at 19:17, "Humberto Avila"
>>>> <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And what does this have to do with the NFB? How are we impacted?
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Kenneth Chrane
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:12 PM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List; NFB of Maryland e-mail list
>>>>> Cc: Blind_Democrats at yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] {Disarmed} Fw: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and
>>>>> Sequestration
>>>>>
>>>>> Email
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: senator at mikulski.senate.gov
>>>>> To: kenneth.chrane at verizon.net
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Mr. Chrane:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for contacting me about the fiscal cliff and the federal
>>>> deficit.
>>>>> It's good to hear from you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Americans need to have a government on their side that is capable of
>>>> solving
>>>>> tough problems.  That's why Congress must act now to avoid the
>>>>> devastating impact of the fiscal cliff and across-the-board cuts
>>>>> known
>> as sequester.
>>>>> Without swift action to avoid the fiscal cliff, millions of
>>>>> Americans
>>>> would
>>>>> see their taxes go up and face spending cuts that could bring our
>>>>> nation back into recession.  The longer we delay the more damage we
>>>>> do to
>>>> ourselves
>>>>> and the economy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My principles for avoiding the fiscal cliff are simple.  We must
>>>>> have a combination of spending cuts and new revenue to reduce our
>>>>> debt and still grow the economy.  We must also protect the social
>>>>> contract between the American people and their government.  Medicare
>>>>> and Medicaid need to be reformed and refreshed not gutted or
>> block-granted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe there are ways to achieve the savings required to avoid
>>>>> the
>>>> fiscal
>>>>> cliff in a balanced and thoughtful way.  We can start by letting the
>>>>> 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire for households making more than
>>>>> $250,000 per
>>>> year.
>>>>> This could save an estimated $700 billion over 10 years.  We can
>>>>> also make thoughtful and balanced cuts to spending - both military
>>>>> and domestic -
>>>> that
>>>>> will begin to reduce our deficit.  That's why I supported the Budget
>>>> Control
>>>>> Act passed by Congress in 2011 that would require $900 billion in
>>>>> cuts
>>>> over
>>>>> 10 years.
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What we can't do, however, is use across-the-board spending cuts to
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>>>>> families and do nothing to raise the additional revenue needed to
>>>>> reduce the deficit.  In Maryland alone, this could result in the
>>>>> loss of tens of thousands of jobs and $3.1 billion to our state 
>>>>> economy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to prevent
>>>>> the
>>>> fiscal
>>>>> cliff and make thoughtful and balanced changes to our spending
>>>>> policy to reduce our national debt.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Barbara A. Mikulski
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