[nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining the NFB, please read.

Mike Freeman k7uij at panix.com
Mon Jul 16 21:12:00 CDT 2012


There are some.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 9:16 PM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining the NFB,
please read.

I've noticed something!
They have Dr Jernigan's and Dr Maurer's speeches, but why aren't there any
old recordings of Dr Tenbroek, on the site to listen to?
Thanks, Joshua

On 7/15/12, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> Go to the NFB web site, then to "Members" and you'll find links to 
> affiliates and divisions.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf Of qubit
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 7:53 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining the 
> NFB, please read.
>
> I disagree -- acbradio is a good resource -- I mean, how many thousand 
> people listen to Main "Menu" to get the low down on the latest 
> adaptive technology?  (Actually I haven't listened to Main Menu in 
> quite some time
> --
> is it still on the air?) I haven't listened to any of their other 
> programming, but I always thought acbradio was a good resource.
> Now on another note, where do I go to find my local chapter website? I 
> haven't paid my dues...
> --le
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 4:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining the 
> NFB,please read.
>
>
> Ray has a good point. Further more, why would we want to have a radio 
> station, so we can be like the other guys? The NFB does not need a 
> radio station, as we are into getting things done. A radio station for 
> those who do not choose to work, which I know is no one here, to sit 
> around and listen to. I think the NFB would rather try to help put 
> those people to work, making money and income.
>
> 2cents worth,
> Marsha
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 5:44 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining the 
> NFB,please read.
>
> And, with what money would you fund this radio station and take away 
> help from those blind people who need our help?  With what money would 
> you hire the staff, blind or sighted?
>
> Point is this.  Just think how much money is being exausted by the 
> other folks with their fancy station.  To what better use might that 
> money be put?
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
> On Jul 15, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
>> Why can't the NFB take "Through Our Eyes," and turn it into KNFB Radio?
>> The NFB needs its own radio station!
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 7/15/12, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>> Not to mention which, the ACB complained when we set up our NFB 
>>> Newsline service.  Jallous maybe because we were the ones who did it.
>>>
>>> I might point out that we stream our national conventions now; and, 
>>> the stream actually works.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>>
>>> On Jul 15, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Roger devin Prater wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, I've also thought about joining the NFB, because they 
>>>> actually provide services like the NFB newsline and things like 
>>>> that, and I don't really know of any that the ACB provides besides 
>>>> their ACB radio
> thing.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester"
>>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:00 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining 
>>>> the
> NFB,
>>>> please read.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Glad to hear this!
>>>> Welcome to the NFB!
>>>> Another convert here!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 7/15/12, Michael Capelle <michael.capelle at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hello.
>>>>> This is going to be a long post, and a lot of heads will turn, I'm
> sure.
>>>>> For many years, a lot of people will know, that I was heavilly 
>>>>> involved in the American Council of the Blind, (ACB). Well, this 
>>>>> years
> convention
>>>>> definitely decided for me, read on, and you will find out why. 
>>>>> Now, before I continue, I want everyone to remember, that I'm not 
>>>>> trying to bash ACB, just speaking my opinion. First of all, the 
>>>>> biggest complaint I had, was I felt the conference/convention was 
>>>>> very disorganized. The roll call of states, seemed very 
>>>>> disorganized, and
> honestly, the "fat"
>>>>> jokes were getting very old. Then, on monday, the door prize 
>>>>> people
> were
>>>>> not even ready, to hand out door prizes. I just felt it was not 
>>>>> good as in previous years. Now, on to the biggest complaint. as 
>>>>> some of you know, we are in the process of passing a bill, for the 
>>>>> subminimum
> wages.
>>>>> Basically, making it illegal to pay blind persons less money then 
>>>>> their sighted colleagues. The following information, below, is 
>>>>> taken from the publication. The NFB, (national Federation of the
>>>>> Blind) definitely supports this, and so do I, again, see below.
>>>>> Voice of the Nation's Blind
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind Logo Marc Maurer, President
>>>>> 200 East Wells Street
>>>>> at Jernigan Place
>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>>> Phone 410 659 9314 Fax 410 685 5653 www.nfb.org The Fair Wages for 
>>>>> Workers with Disabilities Act of 2011 H.R. 3086 Disabled workers 
>>>>> have been unfairly excluded from the federal minimum wage for 74 
>>>>> years, and today over 300,000 disabled workers are working for 
>>>>> subminimum wages.
>>>>> Section 14(c) of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) discriminates 
>>>>> against people with disabilities. This section allows the 
>>>>> Secretary of Labor to grant special wage certificates to 
>>>>> employers, permitting them to pay their workers with disabilities 
>>>>> less than the minimum wage,
> often
>>>>> in sheltered work environments. In some instances disabled workers 
>>>>> are being paid pennies per hour.
>>>>> This discrimination is rooted in low expectations based on 
>>>>> misconceptions about the capabilities of disabled people. The law 
>>>>> falsely implies that people with disabilities cannot be productive 
>>>>> employees, and subminimum wage employers prey on society's
> misconception
>>>>> that disabled people are incapable of being competitively employed.
>>>>> In reality, when provided the proper rehabilitation training and 
>>>>> tools, workers with disabilities can be productive and financially
> independent.
>>>>> Subminimum wage supports an outdated business model that fosters 
>>>>> the underemployment of workers with disabilities. Section 14(c) 
>>>>> was only to be used "to the extent necessary to prevent 
>>>>> curtailment of opportunities" for employment of people with 
>>>>> disabilities. Instead, subminimum-wage sheltered workshops have 
>>>>> eroded into day custody centers, limiting opportunities for 
>>>>> workers with disabilities ever to transition into integrated, 
>>>>> competitive work. These institutions
> instill
>>>>> a philosophy of incapacity, which becomes a self-fulfilling 
>>>>> prophecy resulting in long-term underemployment.
>>>>> The sheltered work system is a cash cow for the subminimum wage 
>>>>> employer. Many employers insist that paying the minimum wage to
> disabled
>>>>> employees would result in lack of profitability and a reduction in
> their
>>>>> workforce, but most benefit from philanthropic donations, 
>>>>> preferred status when bidding on federal contracts, and federal
funding.
> Moreover,
>>>>> while their disabled workers receive subminimum wages that are 
>>>>> subsidized by Social Security and public assistance, some workshop 
>>>>> executives are earning salaries far above industry norms. The 
>>>>> economics overwhelmingly favor subminimum wage employers, 
>>>>> encouraging the perpetuation of subminimum wage employment and 
>>>>> leaving workers with disabilities little to no choice for real
> employment.
>>>>> The Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Act of 2011:
>>>>> Discontinues the practice of issuing special wage certificates. 
>>>>> The secretary of labor will no longer issue special wage 
>>>>> certificates to
> new
>>>>> applicants.
>>>>> Phases out all remaining special wage certificates over a 3-year
> period.
>>>>> Entities currently holding special wage certificates will begin 
>>>>> compensating their workers with disabilities at no less than the
> federal
>>>>> minimum wage, using the following schedule:
>>>>> .
>>>>> private for-profit entities' certificates will be revoked after 1 
>>>>> year; .
>>>>> public or governmental entities' certificates will be revoked 
>>>>> after
>>>>> 2 years; and .
>>>>> non-profit entities' certificates will be revoked after 3 years.
>>>>> Repeals Section14(c) of the FLSA. Three years after the law is 
>>>>> enacted, the practice of paying disabled workers subminimum wage 
>>>>> will be officially abolished, and workers with disabilities will 
>>>>> no longer be excluded from the workforce protection of a federal 
>>>>> minimum
> wage.
>>>>> STOP THE DISCRIMINATION
>>>>> PROMOTE EQUAL WORK FOR EQUAL PAY
>>>>> Cosponsor the Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Act H.R.
>>>>> 3086 For more information contact:
>>>>> Anil Lewis, Director of Strategic Communications National 
>>>>> Federation of the Blind
>>>>> Phone: (410) 659-9314, Extension 2374 E-mail: alewis at nfb.org To 
>>>>> cosponsor the bill, contact:
>>>>> James Thomas in Congressman Cliff Stearns's office
>>>>> Phone: (202) 225-5744 E-mail: james.thomas at mail.house.gov
>>>>> -OR-
>>>>> Tim Powers in Congressman Tim Bishop's office
>>>>> Phone: (202) 225-3826 E-mail: tim.powers at mail.house.gov Voice of 
>>>>> the Nation's Blind Now, when this was taken up at the ACB's 
>>>>> convention, there was a "do
> not
>>>>> pass" recommendation. It went through. This made me very upset, 
>>>>> and proves, that in my opinion, ACB does not care about the future 
>>>>> of the BLIND. Therefore, I've decided to give the NFB another try, 
>>>>> once I can afford to, I will pay my dues, to join NFB.
>>>>> Thanks for reading.
>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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